[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

the same could be said for 500hp 2 seater cars.

An EV that performs similarly to a Camaro SS costs far more.

I mean, a Bolt is already in the SS price range, or at least LT1 range if you have some government rebates.

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[genxer]

cellsafemode
Of course, all of that depends on any performance aftermarket existing for new cars in the future. If manufacturers are allowed to continue encrypting parts and hiding servicing vehicles behind expensive subscription based approved-partner setups then we've already entered the appliance era and we're all stuck either going illegal or shrinking down to only the most hardcore that gut their cars and replace with custom off-the-shelf or old repurposed parts that came before everything was locked down (ice or ev)

That's a big area of common ground you found with the engine-only Camaro crowd.

Crushin_LT1
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It doesn't matter if there's only a couple of variants or thousands of them, given that we still don't have any of them under control yet . . .


Norm

We probably won't ever have them under control and we've known that since the beginning.


Asymptomatic folks are known as healthy folks and are not known to spread COVID and are not known to be drivers of epidemics.

If anyone hasn't, look into PCR cycle threshold. In any case, it doesn't detect intact virus.

It should be clear to all, that acquiescence to contol is pushed Hard. Do people not want to own themselves, their own property? Do they want to be guinea pigs? with activities monitored? someone else's product?

A lot of these things should be wake-up calls.

I want to turn the antenna off, and fill up my car up with cash.

[Jeb114]

The Modern Tow Truck of the future

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

The Modern Tow Truck of the future


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While that is very funny, the stupid thing is running out of "gas".

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Carburetors are great until emission controls complicated everything with them. NASCAR stayed with them until about 2013 and even now, use only a modified version of the digital fuel injection system actually designed in the early 80s for the 368 Cadillac Eldorado.

it's actually amazing how nice a well set-up carbed motor can run. Especially when using a EFI style pump with return to the tank to keep the fuel moving and cool.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

An EV that performs similarly to a Camaro SS costs far more.

I mean, a Bolt is already in the SS price range, or at least LT1 range if you have some government rebates.

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dislike ev cars if you want, but trying to paint them as a status symbol for rich people while driving around in a 42-60 thousand dollar gas burner (while similarly fast ev's (model 3 matches up well) go for 50k-before rebates) isn't a good one.

You're fooling yourself if you think driving around a new SS isn't every bit of a status symbol as driving around an EV. Maybe not to the same people, but it definitely is.


for every middle aged guy who could afford a new SS who thinks some model S driver thinks they're better than they are and got it to show off ...there are tons of 20 something drivers buying some I4/V6 or maybe not even a camaro at all and looking at that older guy driving around their SS and thinking the same thing. edit: or you go to places like jalopnik and they think anyone who buys any new car is doing it for the status symbol and the only right choice is to buy used

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

dislike ev cars if you want, but trying to paint them as a status symbol for rich people while driving around in a 42-60 thousand dollar gas burner (while similarly fast ev's (model 3 matches up well) go for 50k-before rebates) isn't a good one.

You're fooling yourself if you think driving around a new SS isn't every bit of a status symbol as driving around an EV. Maybe not to the same people, but it definitely is.


for every middle aged guy who could afford a new SS who thinks some model S driver thinks they're better than they are and got it to show off ...there are tons of 20 something drivers buying some I4/V6 or maybe not even a camaro at all and looking at that older guy driving around their SS and thinking the same thing. edit: or you go to places like jalopnik and they think anyone who buys any new car is doing it for the status symbol and the only right choice is to buy used

sheesh, I bought the car because I wanted a decent droptop with a M6, RWD and a V8 -mainly just good power, I did look at a few other cars which will remain unnamed on this site. NO NOT A MUSTANG!

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

dislike ev cars if you want, but trying to paint them as a status symbol for rich people while driving around in a 42-60 thousand dollar gas burner (while similarly fast ev's (model 3 matches up well) go for 50k-before rebates) isn't a good one.

You're fooling yourself if you think driving around a new SS isn't every bit of a status symbol as driving around an EV. Maybe not to the same people, but it definitely is.


for every middle aged guy who could afford a new SS who thinks some model S driver thinks they're better than they are and got it to show off ...there are tons of 20 something drivers buying some I4/V6 or maybe not even a camaro at all and looking at that older guy driving around their SS and thinking the same thing. edit: or you go to places like jalopnik and they think anyone who buys any new car is doing it for the status symbol and the only right choice is to buy used

First of all, I didn't say I dislike EV. I think they are great for in-town daily driving and I would get one if it makes sense to me. Nice ass-umption.

Second of all, I just looked up the price for Model 3 Performance. It's around the same as a ZL1 before discounts and rebates, but given GM cars, you can usually negotiate some money off, and I believe you stop getting rebates for EV above a certain price bracket in some places. Either way, SS can be had for cheaper than Model 3 Performance.

Third of all, again, you are ass-uming I am driving my car as a status symbol. If that's the case, I would not be found in cars like a Mazda6 or a Honda Accord, and yet I drove and drive them, no problem. I drive a Camaro SS for the enjoyment, especially on the track. Status symbol is implying that I am seeking approval from others. I don't, or I would probably be in a BMW right now. It's so much better at showing off. I applaud those who can drive better than me in a slower car. I just like cars and driving.

There was a random old guy who thought the same thing and talked to me about it. Let me tell you, I actually take offence in this assumption. IDGAF about what you think I got my car for, because you don't even know me.

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[SirJangle]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

First of all, I didn't say I dislike EV. I think they are great for in-town daily driving and I would get one if it makes sense to me. Nice ass-umption.

Second of all, I just looked up the price for Model 3 Performance. It's around the same as a ZL1 before discounts and rebates, but given GM cars, you can usually negotiate some money off, and I believe you stop getting rebates for EV above a certain price bracket in some places. Either way, SS can be had for cheaper than Model 3 Performance.

Third of all, again, you are ass-uming I am driving my car as a status symbol. If that's the case, I would not be found in cars like a Mazda6 or a Honda Accord, and yet I drove and drive them, no problem. I drive a Camaro SS for the enjoyment, especially on the track. Status symbol is implying that I am seeking approval from others. I don't, or I would probably be in a BMW right now. It's so much better at showing off. I applaud those who can drive better than me in a slower car. I just like cars and driving.

There was a random old guy who thought the same thing and talked to me about it. Let me tell you, I actually take offence in this assumption. IDGAF about what you think I got my car for, because you don't even know me.

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Yep, I found cellsafemode's post offensive too and it wasn't even directed at me. The Lexus and Infiniti I had before my SS would've been considered more of status symbols than the Camaro. But, like you, I don't care what others think. I drive what I like regardless of the Make or Model. My DD is a 2020 Mazda3 Hatchback Premium and I love that lil car. It's never a good idea to assume how someone else feels...

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by SirJangle

Yep, I found cellsafemode's post offensive too and it wasn't even directed at me. The Lexus and Infiniti I had before my SS would've been considered more of status symbols than the Camaro. But, like you, I don't care what others think. I drive what I like regardless of the Make or Model. My DD is a 2020 Mazda3 Hatchback Premium and I love that lil car. It's never a good idea to assume how someone else feels...

IMO something counts a status symbol if you bought it because it's expensive or it is a famous brand, you have zero understanding on how it actually works, and you make fun of people who can't afford it or don't want to use it. A lot of Tesla owners definitely tick the first and third box, probably the second as well.

Those people in a Corolla who probably don't even know how to change a spare don't get to tell me my Camaro is a status symbol. I value my hobbies more than what others think. That's a very tiring way to live your life.

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[Hops]

It’s probably a bit of a long shot, but I’ve been hoping for major progress with CO2 fuels from direct capture.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/dire...n-technologue/

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

First of all, I didn't say I dislike EV. I think they are great for in-town daily driving and I would get one if it makes sense to me. Nice ass-umption.

You were replying to a post i was replying to about how ev's were a status symbol for the rich. Which tried to reinforce the idea that it was because they're much more expensive - which implies that you agree with the poster i was responding to. Otherwise why make the comment? my reply is that if you think electric cars are a status symbol (which is what the poster said) then you have to agree that the alternative that they prefer (v8 powered muscle cars) are just as much of a status symbol. I didn't say I believe everyone with an SS drives it for a status symbol, just that you can't state that ev's are status symbols without lumping in any car you think is unnecessarily expensive and impractical.

fyi,
You dont need the highest end model 3 to match SS performance. Any of the dual engine trims (50-55k) do. The performance trim surpass the SS and surpass the ZL1. With sub 3 second 0-60. I wasn't bothering to include that (or the zl1).

If you didn't agree with the poster i was responding to, then great, but you replied like you did and i'm not doing background checks between each post to make sure they're keeping track of the convo and not just cherry picking some aspect of it.

edit: and " IMO something counts a status symbol if you bought it because it's expensive or it is a famous brand, you have zero understanding on how it actually works, and you make fun of people who can't afford it or don't want to use it."
A status symbol is just something that allows you to show others you're better than they are without having to say it directly. V8 muscle cars have been used as such in their own communities for years, it's not a secret that it's common to hear about v4/v6's not being real and only v8's are real versions of (camaro, mustang, etc). The only purpose of that is to elevate your status among the rest. Any expensive car can be a status symbol to someone who cares about cars. Status symbols have to be recognized by the "lower class" in order to work. Are tesla owners going around and throwing their teslas in non-tesla drivers faces? Or are are we being a bit defensive? I would rank bmw drivers higher than tesla drivers in terms of driving something simply to show off how well off better people they are than others. Tesla drivers have to at least have all of the quality control issues they've had to stick thru hurting their position as well as geographical limitations. Either way we're all making a statement and using our vehicles as status symbols to someone because we were able to get something a lot of people can't and chose it vs lesser options.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

fyi,
You dont need the highest end model 3 to match SS performance. Any of the dual engine trims (50-55k) do. The performance trim surpass the SS and surpass the ZL1. With sub 3 second 0-60. I wasn't bothering to include that (or the zl1).
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I really don't like generalizing 0-60 as 'performance'. It's a very narrow aspect of performance. The SS and 1le Camaro's were designed for track use. When considering the charging logistics, and the track mode performance hit a model 3 takes after reaching steady state, the performance envelop of a SS is far greater than any model 3.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by Hops

I really don't like generalizing 0-60 as 'performance'. It's a very narrow aspect of performance. The SS and 1le Camaro's were designed for track use. When considering the charging logistics, and the track mode performance hit a model 3 takes after reaching steady state, the performance envelop of a SS is far greater than any model 3.

I would agree, but the group that just does quarter mile tracking vs those that take their car to a closed loop track are drastically different in size. So how much does the track performance matter vs the quarter mile straight line?

at which point, track performance is not really relevant to most people who are in the comparing car performance crowd.