[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Hops

The Camaro is very much a "sports car" to me. The term "sports car" is a little strange and maybe dated, as everyone has their own definition it seems. Even so, with the definition of a sports car being, a car you can easily do motorsports with, the Camaro is a better sports car than a Corvette from what I've seen. I have yet to see a Camaro being taken away from a track event on a flat-bed because it overheated, and most track reviews of Camaro vs Corvette judge the Camaro as the easier one to drive at the limit.

I think you've just made the distinction between a 'sports car' (more focused with peakier behavior) and a 'GT-category car' or 'sporty car' (capable but not as demanding).

It's not the activity per se, it's about the car's demeanor while putting it through its paces.


Norm

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

It probably bothers some people more than others, and some people will be able to adapt better than others.



Sure, you'll be able to see the other cars that are around you, but there's more to it than just seeing that they're there.








Norm

Yeah, I get it, not everyone wants to change that behaviour. It took me a few years before I got onboard with the SAE mirror adjustment method, and I adapted not with the Camaro, but with the C7.

But still, if you see a car, you see a car. As for field of vision, well that's why we have a neck that can turn the head around.

Again, the only scenarios where visibility can be an issue are Autocross or if you are trying to check out that hot girl walking down the street without making it too obvious and angering your GF/wife.

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[zaimer]

A bit off topic, but relatable. One day this past summer I had my car dryer (leaf blower ) sitting in the center of her garage stall - in plain sight, as I had just finished using it. I was in the backyard when she decided to pull her vehicle in, over top of my leaf blower. Thankfully nothing was harmed, but I still wasn't too happy. I guess that vehicle has poor forward visibility..? LOL

Tell me I'm not the only one with this kind of story.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

But still, if you see a car, you see a car. As for field of vision, well that's why we have a neck that can turn the head around.

Like I said, that's not all there is to it.


Norm

[UnknownJinX]

Care to expand on that point?

I could totally be missing something here.

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[Number 3]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Again, the only scenarios where visibility can be an issue are Autocross or if you are trying to check out that hot girl walking down the street without making it too obvious and angering your GF/wife.

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Or from my experience pulling up a stop light. Have to use that neck to bend down or stop well back of the light.

If it can be an issue for autocross, it will certainly be an issue for daily driving.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Or from my experience pulling up a stop light. Have to use that neck to bend down or stop well back of the light.



If it can be an issue for autocross, it will certainly be an issue for daily driving.

I think many intersections have a lower traffic light for you to see. Or maybe the US is different.



And this will sound a bit defensive, but isn't stopping further back the light a good habit? Have you seen how sharp some people take their left turns? There was actually one time I was just driving down a two-lane road and suddenly, a car took a sharp left turn and came to the lane right beside me. It was a bit of a close call and the girl driving the car even smirked at me like "oops". I generally have alright control of my temper, but if you bend my fender, that's definitely gonna press a button or two. Then there are the semis, which do have a more legitimate reason for occupying the opposite lanes.

I am 5'10" BTW. Maybe people who are over 6' have a different experience. I wouldn't know.

For Autocross, it's more about the cones disappearing sooner than a Miata, S2000 and BRZ, two of which are convertibles and most people doing AutoX with a convertible will have the top down. And if you are more focused on Autocross, Camaro and pony cars in general just aren't as good of a pick.

And is there any daily driving situation where I have to go around obstacles as fast as possible by getting as close to them as possible without knocking them over?




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[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I think many intersections have a lower traffic light for you to see. Or maybe the US is different.



And this will sound a bit defensive, but isn't stopping further back the light a good habit? Have you seen how sharp some people take their left turns? There was actually one time I was just driving down a two-lane road and suddenly, a car took a sharp left turn and came to the lane right beside me. It was a bit of a close call and the girl driving the car even smirked at me like "oops". I generally have alright control of my temper, but if you bend my fender, that's definitely gonna press a button or two. Then there are the semis, which do have a more legitimate reason for occupying the opposite lanes.

I am 5'10" BTW. Maybe people who are over 6' have a different experience. I wouldn't know.

For Autocross, it's more about the cones disappearing sooner than a Miata, S2000 and BRZ, two of which are convertibles and most people doing AutoX with a convertible will have the top down. And if you are more focused on Autocross, Camaro and pony cars in general just aren't as good of a pick.

And is there any daily driving situation where I have to go around obstacles as fast as possible by getting as close to them as possible without knocking them over?

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City traffic and pedestrians?

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

City traffic and pedestrians?

Well, I don't go around pedestrians and other cars at around at full throttle or heavy braking while pulling 1G around the city, while making sure I just barely brush against the pedestrians without actually hitting them head on.

But again, maybe the US is different.

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[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Well, I don't go around pedestrians and other cars at around at full throttle or heavy braking while pulling 1G around the city, while making sure I just barely brush against the pedestrians without actually hitting them head on.

But again, maybe the US is different.

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Clearly you've never been to NYC.

LOL.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Clearly you've never been to NYC.

LOL.

Nope, but I can imagine some New Yorker doing what I described while yelling at the top of their lungs in the most stereotypical New York accent.

[MR's 2SS]

Ive been trying not to respond here because Ive only had the Camaro a few weeks. But.
Yea. It doesnt have great visibility. You need to think about that as your driving it. But I cant see very well out of my F-250 either. I almost ordered it with the 360 degree cameras. But too expensive. I have decades of experience driving over dimensional tractor trailers. You really can judge by what you can see. Situational awareness and all that.
My wifes former Infinity has 360 degree cameras. It doesnt take much room. A small lens under the side mirrors. A little lens out front. Making it easy to park within an inch of the curb every time without risking a wheel. That would be a great option for Camaro. You can adjust your mirrors down to the wheel though.
But even though we bought this car as a daily driver, the visibility was not a substantial drawback compared to the reasons we wanted the car. The reason we didnt lease another QX50 is because they all have 4 cyl. engines now. Sorry. Not paying mid 40s for a midsized SUV sportin a 4 cyl. Not buying an F-150 sportin a 4 cyl.. yea yea turbo.. lots of power.. yaddayadda...Dealer Lots are filled with literally thousands of unsold SUVs with 4 cyl engines sitting. Even most of the Jeeps. You can find them into the 50s with a 4. Sorry. Not interested. BMW, Mercedes. Lots full. Q60s are nice. Well over 60 grand though. We had a 2013 we liked a lot. All wheel drive. Front engine rear drive dominant.
Now what we did buy the Camaro for... V-8... Stick... drop top... I have to admit I fought my wifes desire for a ragg top for 30 years. Yea its going to have issues. Shes going to love it though. This point in our lives the enjoyment is worth it.
Every once in a while Ive needed to sit up straight to look over the hood. I feel like the sun visor is down all the time. I just see it as personality.
The electric cars are coming whether were interested or not. 90% of the cars on the market are toaster ovens. Appliances... I have zero interest. I remember the 60s. Waiting for the new car linups to come out... drooling over them...
Climate change...politics...political correctness...
So were in a V-8 6mt convertible or a 3/4 ton truck. Soon enough that will no longer be possible.
If you cant see out just buy something else.

[c4racer]

Got that right. Do it now while you still can.

I’ve had my vert for 4.5 years. No issues yet. Knock on wood !

[UnknownJinX]

While I prefer a bigger NA engine for a sports car, I actually don't mind a turbo I4 in a family car. Most of them have better low-end torque than their NA V6 counterparts.

I drive my friend's Mazda 6 2.5T and I don't mind it for just DDing. Of course, it's not as fun as the Camaro but it also doesn't chug the fuel. Then again, it's like CAN$42k(so US$33k) out of the door back then and the interior is kind of nice. But yeah, I agree that I wouldn't want to blow a ton of money on a car with an I4 engine.