[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by detamble13

Well it looks like if the Camaro is to continue into the future it will need to be offered as an EV. Hopefully they keep the V8/manual as an option.
The E Mustang is a POS because it's a crossover. If Ford would have just added an electric powertrain option to the Mustang they wouldn't have degraded the name. I really hope Corvette doesn't become it's own brand with utility vehicle offerings but I'm not confident they won't go this route.

I remember huge uproar when Porsche announced they were going to offer an SUV. At the Cleveland auto show I actually witnessed a 911 owner come uncomfortably close to getting arrested on an assault charge getting in the face of a Porsche rep.

That wasn’t an isolated incident - Car and Driver had an article on how mad the vintage 911 collector community was.

Maybe GM isn’t in the same financial straights Porsche was at the time but for the 911 to live on we all learned after the fact that Porsche needed to expand their product line or go out of business.

So long as GM continues to offer a true, gasoline, internal combustion V8 2 seat pure sports car they simply call Corvette, I guess what we’ve learned from that is they can put the nameplate on anything they want.

[cellsafemode]

well, it's not about what you think will happen. It's about what you want to happen.

I want the 7th gen camaro to be a 1992 reproduction with modern guts but with a consumer focused design in what way those modern-isms are implemented so there is a strong emphasis in diy customizing the car post-factory.

Also, the stripe options should be painted options and not vinyl stickers.

The only thing i'm stuck on is if it should have a T-Top option. T-Tops seem cool but in practice they sucked so hard in every single function they had. I'd love to think of a way to have the benefits of a T-Top option without any of the negatives but I can't think of a way they'd be able to do it that wouldn't suck in new ways at the very best.

I guess the best compromise would be a solid roof but the option to have it be transparent in the areas the t-top would normally be in without actually making removable panels and with no ridges etc so that the roof is still 1 smooth surface.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

well, it's not about what you think will happen. It's about what you want to happen.

I want the 7th gen camaro to be a 1992 reproduction with modern guts but with a consumer focused design in what way those modern-isms are implemented so there is a strong emphasis in diy customizing the car post-factory.

Also, the stripe options should be painted options and not vinyl stickers.

The only thing i'm stuck on is if it should have a T-Top option. T-Tops seem cool but in practice they sucked so hard in every single function they had. I'd love to think of away to have the benefits of a T-Top option without any of the negatives but I can't think of a way they'd be able to do it that wouldn't suck in new ways at the very best.

I guess the best compromise would be a solid roof but the option to have it be transparent in the areas the t-top would normally be in without actually making removable panels and with no ridges etc so that the roof is still 1 smooth surface.

2 mini-sunroofs

[SirJangle]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

well, it's not about what you think will happen. It's about what you want to happen.

I want the 7th gen camaro to be a 1992 reproduction with modern guts but with a consumer focused design in what way those modern-isms are implemented so there is a strong emphasis in diy customizing the car post-factory.

Also, the stripe options should be painted options and not vinyl stickers.

The only thing i'm stuck on is if it should have a T-Top option. T-Tops seem cool but in practice they sucked so hard in every single function they had. I'd love to think of a way to have the benefits of a T-Top option without any of the negatives but I can't think of a way they'd be able to do it that wouldn't suck in new ways at the very best.

I guess the best compromise would be a solid roof but the option to have it be transparent in the areas the t-top would normally be in without actually making removable panels and with no ridges etc so that the roof is still 1 smooth surface.

Maybe a removable section like they do on the Vette?

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

Also, the stripe options should be painted options and not vinyl stickers.

Stripes have been stickers for a very long time...

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by cellsafemode

well, it's not about what you think will happen. It's about what you want to happen.

I want the 7th gen camaro to be a 1992 reproduction with modern guts but with a consumer focused design in what way those modern-isms are implemented so there is a strong emphasis in diy customizing the car post-factory.

Also, the stripe options should be painted options and not vinyl stickers.

The only thing i'm stuck on is if it should have a T-Top option. T-Tops seem cool but in practice they sucked so hard in every single function they had. I'd love to think of a way to have the benefits of a T-Top option without any of the negatives but I can't think of a way they'd be able to do it that wouldn't suck in new ways at the very best.

I guess the best compromise would be a solid roof but the option to have it be transparent in the areas the t-top would normally be in without actually making removable panels and with no ridges etc so that the roof is still 1 smooth surface.

Originally Posted by SirJangle

Maybe a removable section like they do on the Vette?

T-tops are nearly impossible now due to crashworthiness requirements. Side pole impact test is nasty.



If you look closely on the new Hummer EV, it's a Targa roof over the driver and passenger and T-tops over the rear.

The devil is in the details as the structure between the windshield header and the rear roof (that makes the T) requires the vehicle to meet the pole impact test. Having NO structure there basically classifies the vehicle the same as a convertible, which is exempted.

Not that it can't be done but you wouldn't like the result if someone tried. It would look nothing like what you used to see.

As for giving the Camaro a targa roof? Meh, don't need another Corvette solution on the Camaro. JMO though.

[detamble13]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

I remember huge uproar when Porsche announced they were going to offer an SUV. At the Cleveland auto show I actually witnessed a 911 owner come uncomfortably close to getting arrested on an assault charge getting in the face of a Porsche rep.

That wasn’t an isolated incident - Car and Driver had an article on how mad the vintage 911 collector community was.

Maybe GM isn’t in the same financial straights Porsche was at the time but for the 911 to live on we all learned after the fact that Porsche needed to expand their product line or go out of business.

So long as GM continues to offer a true, gasoline, internal combustion V8 2 seat pure sports car they simply call Corvette, I guess what we’ve learned from that is they can put the nameplate on anything they want.

That is quite the story and really indicative of how attached people can get to a car. Unfortunately for that Porsche rep he/she had to be the face of the decision made by corporate.

There was rumour the Panamara would be called 911 and that caused an uproar. They didn't call it a 911 and were better for it. I really hope GM doesn't make a performance suv and call it a Corvette.

My take on the Mach E is that Ford is trying to give people a Mustang without the compromises of a two door car. Higher seating position, more cargo space and yes it's still a Mustang, look Ford says so. The Mach E is like a handjob, it's not what you really want but you'll take one.

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Stripes have been stickers for a very long time...

yea, and they suck. Paint that crap on and cover it in clear. Stickers mucking up a glass like surface is low class. And I want to break people's brains with a 7th gen 3rd gen camaro that's simultaneously synonymous with mullets and causes their kids to have whiplash and wonder why their family doesn't drive the car they just saw flying by them and is more owner friendly than their car and higher performing and less polluting than the competition due to weight savings.

Sure, it'll suck in crash testing (relatively) ... But that's solved by not crashing your car.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by detamble13

That is quite the story and really indicative of how attached people can get to a car. Unfortunately for that Porsche rep he/she had to be the face of the decision made by corporate.

There was rumour the Panamara would be called 911 and that caused an uproar. They didn't call it a 911 and were better for it. I really hope GM doesn't make a performance suv and call it a Corvette.

My take on the Mach E is that Ford is trying to give people a Mustang without the compromises of a two door car. Higher seating position, more cargo space and yes it's still a Mustang, look Ford says so. The Mach E is like a handjob, it's not what you really want but you'll take one.

The Mach E isn't even a real woman, let alone someone I'd take settle on a handjob from.

It's more like RuPaul.

[UnknownJinX]

The funny thing about the Mach-E, if you watched Jason from Engineering Explained's recent videos on it, is that it's not even a good SUV when it comes to ground clearance. Ford boasts about the good handling of the Mach-E but Jason pointed out that it at least partially comes from the low ground clearance. It's even lower than the WRX, and more than an inch lower than the Tesla Model Y.

I mean, when I buy an SUV, I would at least want to it not get stuck as easily due to ground clearance as a sedan.

And I get it, everyone has to pay the bill, but don't call your SUV a sports car or other stupid crap like "Grand Coupe". I am fine with how Porsche and Lamborghini approached it, but Ford's approach, not so much.



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[Modernmusclecar]

Bring back more of the 5th gen styling.The current model is a bomb it really looks common. Its lines are similar to alot of the cars on the road. I do like the 1le option.That car looks alot better the the plain ss. And as mentioned 500 hp should be standard.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

The funny thing about the Mach-E, if you watched Jason from Engineering Explained's recent videos on it, is that it's not even a good SUV when it comes to ground clearance. Ford boasts about the good handling of the Mach-E but Jason pointed out that it at least partially comes from the low ground clearance. It's even lower than the WRX, and more than an inch lower than the Tesla Model Y.

I mean, when I buy an SUV, I would at least want to it not get stuck as easily due to ground clearance as a sedan.

And I get it, everyone has to pay the bill, but don't call your SUV a sports car or other stupid crap like "Grand Coupe". I am fine with how Porsche and Lamborghini approached it, but Ford's approach, not so much.



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Yeah well no matter what car companies today want to tell us, THESE are SUVs:





The Mach E is an electric station wagon.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Yeah well no matter what car companies today want to tell us, THESE are SUVs:


The Mach E is an electric station wagon.

Huh, go figure... I thought they were saying it was a car.

EPA Classification
Small Sport Utility Vehicles 2WD

[Silent_H_]

I'd love it if they could make the Camaro a bit smaller again. Maybe even throw in some extra visibility (it doesn't bother me but apparently turns off a lot of people) and smaller factory wheels while they're at it. Otherwise as long as they keep an internal combustion engine option that'd be great!