[SirJangle]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

This is why I do not buy into the whole "well, it's under warranty if it breaks it breaks don't worry about it".

If the stereo breaks, fine, you can drive it around until you get it fixed. If a failure that causes the car to be inoperable occurs, it's a major ordeal. Especially if you're stranded on the highway at 3 in the morning.

That's why something like this is inexcusable and GM needs to issue a full scale recall on them, mail letters to the owners advising people to stop driving their cars, GM then needs for their dealers to arrange for towing the cars to the dealer for replacement of the valve springs, and in the mean time provide the customer with a free loaner.

The continued incompetence of that company is mind blowing, baffling, and quite sad. I love my Camaro like everyone here, but I do not mince words when I say I am not a fan of GM as a company. Since their bankruptcy you'd think they'd have learned their lesson. Obviously not.

There are other car companies who would have quickly done all of that and the Camaros with the bad run of valve springs would have all been fixed with the good valve springs by now and everyone would be happy.

THIS^^^

Also, and this is the most important part IMO, when you do have a major breakdown/issue, you're still required to make your payments on a car that you're not getting to drive. So, you're not getting what you paid for. There is no other instance in life where I'd put-up with that. But, when it comes to a new vehicle, they expect you to. I understand that crap happens. But, the way GM is handling this leaves A LOT to be desired.

[Venomcustom]

Originally Posted by SirJangle

THIS^^^

Also, and this is the most important part IMO, when you do have a major breakdown/issue, you're still required to make your payments on a car that you're not getting to drive. So, you're not getting what you paid for. There is no other instance in life where I'd put-up with that. But, when it comes to a new vehicle, they expect you to. I understand that crap happens. But, the way GM is handling this leaves A LOT to be desired.

I disagree. GM is not going to recall every V8 these springs might be in. All the 6.2 in Camaros, Corvettes and trucks. Read the TSB on the wide variety of engines that could be affected. Not gonna happen. Only a very small percentage have had issues. It definitely sucks but they aren’t going to do a recall on this and I don’t blame them.

[spitz]

The wife and I were out driving the camaro it seems to be running like a raped ape. I ask her to lets go to the dodge dealer and dump this car She said no so I said lets go trade it for a new Cadillac XT5 like your 2018 model She again said no. I'm telling you first hand she loves this camaro so much more then driving my corvette. I have no choice but to ride it out and see if the motor holds up.

Thanks a lot for all the input from you guys/gals

on a side note where should I order the rock guards that go on the lower fender and rear quarter panel. This car is black and I just got it back from paint correction and ceramic coated. Well just before the motor went bad

[Venomcustom]

Originally Posted by spitz

The wife and I were out driving the camaro it seems to be running like a raped ape. I ask her to lets go to the dodge dealer and dump this car She said no so I said lets go trade it for a new Cadillac XT5 like your 2018 model She again said no. I'm telling you first hand she loves this camaro so much more then driving my corvette. I have no choice but to ride it out and see if the motor holds up.

Thanks a lot for all the input from you guys/gals

on a side note where should I order the rock guards that go on the lower fender and rear quarter panel. This car is black and I just got it back from paint correction and ceramic coated. Well just before the motor went bad

I ordered mine from ZL1 addons. Easy instal and work great on my 1LE.

[Pupilbone]

Originally Posted by spitz

The wife and I were out driving the camaro it seems to be running like a raped ape. I ask her to lets go to the dodge dealer and dump this car She said no so I said lets go trade it for a new Cadillac XT5 like your 2018 model She again said no. I'm telling you first hand she loves this camaro so much more then driving my corvette. I have no choice but to ride it out and see if the motor holds up.

Thanks a lot for all the input from you guys/gals

on a side note where should I order the rock guards that go on the lower fender and rear quarter panel. This car is black and I just got it back from paint correction and ceramic coated. Well just before the motor went bad

Really glad this worked out for you.

On the rock guards, I’m a fan of the product from ZL1 Addons. I’ve had these on both of my 6th gen Camaro’s and they work. Affordable, 5 minutes (per flap) to install, and they’re unassuming. I used the attached pic to show how unassuming they are.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Venomcustom

I disagree. GM is not going to recall every V8 these springs might be in. All the 6.2 in Camaros, Corvettes and trucks. Read the TSB on the wide variety of engines that could be affected. Not gonna happen. Only a very small percentage have had issues. It definitely sucks but they aren’t going to do a recall on this and I don’t blame them.

You could not be more wrong. And it is your kind of attitude that enables GM to continue a “f-u” attitude with garbage customer service and make people want to never buy a thing from them again.

First of, GM knows EXACTLY - TO THE T - which engines, and thus which vehicles, the defective valve springs went into. Every. Single. Last. One. This ain’t 1968 - every part that goes into, well, everything mass produced today, carries an identifier for the time/date/location that specific part was fabricated, then when it was shipped, then when it was stocked at the factory, then when it was installed and into which engine block it was installed into. Then that specific engine is identified with the VIN of the car it was installed into.

They use QR code’s and “just in time” production concepts, part of Lean 6 Sigma. So within 5 minutes of looking up the VIN of your car GM knows exactly when and where the valve springs (along with every single other part/bolt/nut/washer/gasket/ring) in YOUR engine were forged/cast/fabricated. The time, the date, and which factory.

They only have to recall the ones they know are of the bad batch. They know, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

[Chutzpah]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

You could not be more wrong. And it is your kind of attitude that enables GM to continue a “f-u” attitude with garbage customer service and make people want to never buy a thing from them again.

First of, GM knows EXACTLY - TO THE T - which engines, and thus which vehicles, the defective valve springs went into. Every. Single. Last. One. This ain’t 1968 - every part that goes into, well, everything mass produced today, carries an identifier for the time/date/location that specific part was fabricated, then when it was shipped, then when it was stocked at the factory, then when it was installed and into which engine block it was installed into. Then that specific engine is identified with the VIN of the car it was installed into.

They use QR code’s and “just in time” production concepts, part of Lean 6 Sigma. So within 5 minutes of looking up the VIN of your car GM knows exactly when and where the valve springs (along with every single other part/bolt/nut/washer/gasket/ring) in YOUR engine were forged/cast/fabricated. The time, the date, and which factory.

They only have to recall the ones they know are of the bad batch. They know, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

I agree with you on all counts. This should be full recall as well, seems to be a pretty big safety issue, (at least in my opinion).

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...81687-9999.pdf

[JSH]

Originally Posted by spitz

my 2021 camaro ss I bought it nov 13th the 14th turned it in for paint correction and ceramic coating 2 weeks later I get the car back and it looks great. Took it to a local car show and all the kids loved it (dad look at that black car) So now dec 7th my wife drives the car to work for the first time. At 4 am she calls me and says the motor fell apart. Now I have to get up and meet up with her. sure enough the motor sounds like all the insides fell apart. The tow truck driver had to try to start the motor to get it our of park. So I was able to hear it. It was towed to the nearest dealer, now waiting to hear from them. In the mean time a little research tells me that the 6.2 motor is having a problem with lifter springs. If thats the case I'm not sure I want just the springs replaced. What about small pieces of metal that may have gotten into the system? It has 321miles on it.

Yes, the LT4 engine produced between certain dates(?) is or was experiencing valve spring breakage, which could cause damage to numerous other parts of the engine including the cylinder wall, piston, lifter, pushrod, rocker arm, one or both valves, etc.

I would want to be there when Chevrolet takes the engine apart. You should certainly leak test all cylinders.

[spitz]

[QUOTE=Venomcustom;10917317]

Originally Posted by spitz

I picked up my car from the dealer Service guy said everything was good. The parts used
16 12691120 spring
2 12619787 gasket

the recall number N202319660

They didn't change the oil (I will take it in for that)
I want to see a scope into cylinder 7 for any possible damage (I will get that done)
To think I had a fiber optic scope but when I retired I gave it to the guy that worked on all of our city vehicles.

I traded my 2017 corvette vert for this car to have her park her Cadillac suv because I wanted to share the miles, as she drive 33 miles to work every day She didn't drive the corvette because of blind spots. The camaro didn't have that problem with her. I went through all the transmission issues with the A8 on the corvette But the car never broke down in the 4 years I had it. Now this car left her on the side of the road at 3am in the morning. That bothers me The fact that GM had a recall before they sold me a car that was subject to break down.[/



Unfortunately it’s not a recall. It’s a service bulletin. I do know how it is once a vehicle lets you down. Especially when it comes to the wife being stranded on the side of the road at 3am!!! I know that wouldn’t sit well with me either.

I was just reading my invoice from the dealer, it was called an open recall open per vis-valve spring failure. then it says cause: completed open recall campaign Thats the verbiage on my invoice

[Venomcustom]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

You could not be more wrong. And it is your kind of attitude that enables GM to continue a “f-u” attitude with garbage customer service and make people want to never buy a thing from them again.

First of, GM knows EXACTLY - TO THE T - which engines, and thus which vehicles, the defective valve springs went into. Every. Single. Last. One. This ain’t 1968 - every part that goes into, well, everything mass produced today, carries an identifier for the time/date/location that specific part was fabricated, then when it was shipped, then when it was stocked at the factory, then when it was installed and into which engine block it was installed into. Then that specific engine is identified with the VIN of the car it was installed into.

They use QR code’s and “just in time” production concepts, part of Lean 6 Sigma. So within 5 minutes of looking up the VIN of your car GM knows exactly when and where the valve springs (along with every single other part/bolt/nut/washer/gasket/ring) in YOUR engine were forged/cast/fabricated. The time, the date, and which factory.

They only have to recall the ones they know are of the bad batch. They know, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong. They don’t know exactly which engines got the springs. I am friends with several people high up the food chain at GM. Unfortunately they all got dumped together sort of speak and they aren’t. A tracked part. Either way my opinion stands.

[Venomcustom]

[QUOTE=spitz;10917680]

Originally Posted by Venomcustom

I was just reading my invoice from the dealer, it was called an open recall open per vis-valve spring failure. then it says cause: completed open recall campaign Thats the verbiage on my invoice

I get that but it’s a TSB and GM has no recall other than they want the springs back for testing. Lol.

[LT4Greg]

Well GM didn’t do a recall on the L99 and LS3 defective valve springs back when the 5th gen was being produced. I know my 2010 LS3 had a collapsed valve spring and thankfully I got it covered under warranty but there was no official recall from GM stating to bring in the cars and get all the valve springs replaced. This reasoning that GM should recall every new vehicle with a V8 engine produced during a certain time and replace all valve springs is ludicrous! Some engines are good and some aren’t just like the defective oil pumps in the LT4s. My 2017 ZL1 is so far good to go but I don’t know if one day the pump will fail and I know GM won’t do a recall so it’s just a waiting game for me. It may happen or may not.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Venomcustom

Actually you couldn’t be more wrong. They don’t know exactly which engines got the springs. I am friends with several people high up the food chain at GM. Unfortunately they all got dumped together sort of speak and they aren’t. A tracked part. Either way my opinion stands.

Yes, in fact they ARE a tracked part. You’re entitled to your incorrect opinion based on whatever your “high up in the food chain” former GM employees told you, but unlike them I actually DO know that every part in our cars can be tracked to its respective origins.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...line-16324897/

Read the last paragraph closely.

Your friends are full of it. And you can show them this article if you like.

[Chutzpah]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

Well GM didn’t do a recall on the L99 and LS3 defective valve springs back when the 5th gen was being produced. I know my 2010 LS3 had a collapsed valve spring and thankfully I got it covered under warranty but there was no official recall from GM stating to bring in the cars and get all the valve springs replaced. This reasoning that GM should recall every new vehicle with a V8 engine produced during a certain time and replace all valve springs is ludicrous! Some engines are good and some aren’t just like the defective oil pumps in the LT4s. My 2017 ZL1 is so far good to go but I don’t know if one day the pump will fail and I know GM won’t do a recall so it’s just a waiting game for me. It may happen or may not.

While I agree with you on not recalling and replacing oil pumps...that’s some serious open heart surgery. I respectfully disagree on the valve spring issue. If GM know’s every single car that has these faulty springs, they should perform a recall. OP’s wife stuck on the in the early am, in a brand new car...Not good.