[v8]

Originally Posted by Elite Engineering

Great to see someone do the test on here, but the way your conducting it wont show what gets past each can to still be ingested. What a can traps is not nearly as important as what gets past, so here are the details on how to conduct the test, and a minimum of 1,000 miles, and 2,000 miles is far more accurate.


The entire reason for the test is to test effectiveness. Most people install a system on their engine to prevent the ingestion of the oil and other combustion byproducts. So you must start out with both cans empty and clean of all residue. And the cans MUST be run in series. The second can MUST be hooked up so the outlet from the first is connected to the inlet of the second. If not there is no way to determine what gets pulled through the first can to be trapped by the second, and then when reversed, the same thing. Here is an actual video again by a completely independent tech that shows every step of the test:

Any questions, please ask us, and again, thanks for taking the time to do this.


Sales@EliteEngineeringUSA.com and Tech@EliteEngineeringUSA.com

Also, we notice your not using the Venturi valve for secondary evacuation suction source. Your using the fresh/clean side source which MUST be routed through the oil sump tank to work properly and generates no usable vacuum, so your only using half of our system, which will do nothing when in boost/WOT. Our instructions show how to properly route the can, and it cannot work as your doing. To be clear, you MUST use a proper secondary vacuum source. I assume your thinking the secondary suction source is generated by a restricted air filter, and that is absolutely incorrect. You MUST use and actual Venturi effect vacuum generating barb as shown here:


And the checkvalves MUST be on both outlets flowing away from the can. Hooking it up as you have it it can't work. Your mixing clean and dirty sides together defeating the function.


Just ask or visit our website to find instructions. This must be conducted equally and fair and to hook ours up incorrectly, is not really fair. Also, something doesn't look right on your connections?

I will address your concerns without getting into a long explanation that will put everyone to sleep

How I test by looking under the blower lid is very valid, its a sure way of knowing what gets inside the engine and really that's what I'm concerned about. Oil ingestion getting in.

You say that "And the checkvalves MUST be on both outlets flowing away from the can. Hooking it up as you have it it can't work. Your mixing clean and dirty sides together defeating the function."

I have check valves on both outlets on the can so respectfully maybe you have to watch the vid a little closer.

You mention the venturi effect and you are right that where I draw my vacuum for the secondary line will have much less than from where you hook yours up. This is a problem, and I get that, and I will address same. The secondary line probably provides a few inches of vacuum at your source near the throttle body, BUT the way you hook it up, your restrictor is under the blower so the whole system is restricted, this means your secondary line has to suck vapour though a 1/8" (approx) restrictor, so the actual evacuation will not be very much.

I put my restrictor AFTER the catch can, this results in a restriction on the primary line (just like yours), but NO restriction on the secondary line. This means your secondary line must pull vapour through a 1/8"(approximate) hole and about 6 feet of line. My secondary line has about 2 feet and no restriction, just 3/8" hose. Based on flow research between 1/8" and 3/8", my secondary line can support about 5X the volume, so while there is less vacuum, it has about 5X less restriction, so things may equal out a bit. I'm really not too sure on the exact numbers, but I can confirm there is way less restriction. I may do more testing on this........

The other thing is the secondary line is barely, ever used anyway, so saying that secondary line will impact results is not valid, as the other can is hooked up the same way so it will have to deal with the same set of circumstances.

Lastly, you say something does not look right on the connections, can you elaborate? If I have made a mistake, I would like to know your opinion.

Disclaimer: I mean absolutely no disrespect in any way. I purchased your product based on my research, and feel you have a great product. I do own more than one elite catch can I'm here to learn as well, but there are often more than one way to do things, and I'm always looking to improve things.

Thanks

[v8]

Originally Posted by Elite Engineering

I can assure you the APEX catch can was not a better performing catch can. APEX originally was an exclusive dealer for Elite Engineering, and then they copied our design, and attempted to sell it as their own. Needless to say Chase Robbins, and APEX are now out of business.

You may be right, and it can inferred that APEX copied a great design and tried to make it better by making it larger (more surface area, had a larger coalescing chamber), greater air travel distance between inlet and outlet inside can, more ports (you can plug if you don't need) making it very adaptable, and the machining of the billet can is top notch (doesn't need an o-ring to seal)

This is a moot point anyway, as its no longer available so not worth debating, but in a nutshell it's a copy of your can, just larger with superior machining and more ports. That's my observation and you should take it as a compliment that someone copied your great design. They did their research, and I mean no disrespect when writing this.

[v8]

Originally Posted by Bangkok_ZL1

Everybody get on his channel so he can buy more stuff to test!!!

Thanks for the thumbs up brother!!!!

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by v8

This is a moot point anyway, as [the APEX can] is no longer available so not worth debating, but in a nutshell it's a copy of your can, just larger with superior machining and more ports.

All the more reason to do a heads up comparison with Mighty Mouse, which seems to be the preferred product on this forum at least.

Call them and see if you can get a "loaner" to test

[v8]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

All the more reason to do a heads up comparison with Mighty Mouse, which seems to be the preferred product on this forum at least.

Call them and see if you can get a "loaner" to test

You are %100 right brother, I was thinking I just may have to do the Mightymouse vs Elite. It would be an interesting test as those are the two popular brands, even on the Corvette forum its the same Mightymouse vs Elite.

I would do it the way Elite wants (one catch can after the other). I just have to see if its possible to fit two catch cans under the hood???? Both utilize the same mounting bolt so I have to see what I can rig up to keep them both vertical. If I can't fit them both under the hood somehow, I may have to do the 500km swap where I run each one and check under the blower. Too many more kms and its not as accurate as I would rather see what's under the blower than try to measure what comes out.

Here in Canada its getting cold (I'm in the Toronto area) so the car will see very few miles for the next few months (December to March) so pretty much no driving. But that may give me some time to rig it all up and have it ready to go in the spring. I'm going to try to refrain from asking for a loaner, as there will only be one winner, so I don't want anyone to feel bad, and if I just buy the catch can, then I'll feel better about saying whatever is on my mind and probably just give away the can that I don't want anymore. The can may be famous, as it was on the GarageKing Youtube channel hahahaha!!!

If you have any suggestions I'm definitely open to them. I would like to run the two cans and I can utilize quick connects, its just a matter of fitting them in.