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Originally Posted by Bangkok_ZL1

OK, so what would you recommend. I have NO WARRANTY on my brand new 2019 ZL1. I'm now convinced that I need this can. but this is the very first time I've ever worried about something like this. My previous sportscar was a rotary (Rx-7), there was no valves, and they ran on a bit of oil, LOL. So what would you install to catch all this oil on a brand new LT4 and no warranty and no Chevrolet to help being I'm here in Thailand? Or being here in Thailand, can I just do a complete bypass?

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

It makes sense to me to have it under the blower in the factory location. You want to suck the oil out with maximum velocity there, not at the can, or more oil could drop out in the lines going to the can (velocity helps entrain more droplets)

Hi Bangkok, definitely don't bypass the system. There is are many systems on the market, but I do lean towards Elite. By the way I did not get paid anything for that vid, so it is my own opinion. As ZX-10R said earlier, you want volume and he is correct so a bigger can is better, there are a few other things, one is the distance between the inlet port and exhaust port (on the inside of the can is important) as it allows for maximum travel distance within the can. The Elite is a really good set up, and they have a patent on their cans which must say something. I learned a lot from reading the patents filed by different automotive manufacturers.

ZX-10R I hear you when you say "you want to suck the oil out with maximum velocity" The maximum velocity is actually in the rubber line, the maximum velocity occurs just after the restrictor, so that 6 feet of rubber line might actually help. Just thinking out loud here.

[ZX-10R]

That's the great thing about front mounting the can, I reduced the hose length to about 18 inches at most (ADM coolant reservoir is where the can used to sit)

[Not_HisZL1]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

https://uprproducts.com/16-21-camaro...oil-catch-can/

Never heard of UPR (there are so many of these things on the market) but if anything looks to be smaller volume. Interior baffling looks similar.

How you drive the car obviously makes a big difference, if you're on track and on boost all the time obviously blowby goes up. Your post isn't convincing that the Elite can is inferior

Yes, obviously. But 3 - 1/4 mile track pulls vs 5000 miles (half regular driving and the rest racing all day and night multiple times a month for another 2,500 miles) is a comparison....

[Not_HisZL1]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

It makes sense to me to have it under the blower in the factory location. You want to suck the oil out with maximum velocity there, not at the can, or more oil could drop out in the lines going to the can (velocity helps entrain more droplets)

Bangkok - just order an Elite E2-X, it's the best overall (and proven) choice right now

UPR has proven to be way more effective than Tracy Lewis' catch can that barely pulled anything out. Install wasnt an issue as it was installed at his shop...just as thr guys reply on here about his experience with UPR 💯👌🏼

[Not_HisZL1]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I had a UPR catch can on my wife's Charger Hellcat and it worked phenomenally well. I had a Billet Technologies catch can on my Challenger Hellcat, it never caught as much as oil as the UPR on my wife's.

[v8]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

That's the great thing about front mounting the can, I reduced the hose length to about 18 inches at most (ADM coolant reservoir is where the can used to sit)

Looks good and I'm glad you used the high flow valves Not sure if you saw my vid on them, but they really do allow a lot more flow.

[v8]

Originally Posted by Not_HisZL1

UPR has proven to be way more effective than Tracy Lewis' catch can that barely pulled anything out. Install wasn't an issue as it was installed at his shop...just as thr guys reply on here about his experience with UPR 💯👌🏼

To be fair I think the UPR is a good design. The only thing is I'm a little concerned with is that media filter they use. I'm not sure how tightly wound it is, but I wouldn't want it to restrict flow. The best catch can designs are those that do not affect airflow (restrict) I like how the UPR has some distance between the in and out ports on the inside of the can. My personal opinion would be if they made it bigger, but with less dense filtering media, that would be an improvement. I do think the design is good though, its actually a similar (kind of) design as the E2-X.

[Bangkok_ZL1]

Originally Posted by v8

Hi Bangkok, definitely don't bypass the system. There is are many systems on the market, but I do lean towards Elite. By the way I did not get paid anything for that vid, so it is my own opinion. As ZX-10R said earlier, you want volume and he is correct so a bigger can is better, there are a few other things, one is the distance between the inlet port and exhaust port (on the inside of the can is important) as it allows for maximum travel distance within the can. The Elite is a really good set up, and they have a patent on their cans which must say something. I learned a lot from reading the patents filed by different automotive manufacturers.

ZX-10R I hear you when you say "you want to suck the oil out with maximum velocity" The maximum velocity is actually in the rubber line, the maximum velocity occurs just after the restrictor, so that 6 feet of rubber line might actually help. Just thinking out loud here.

Thanks for the advice. I decided against by passing cause some people told me there would be a slight stench at times and my female navigator has a sensitive nose. I've decided however, at least so far (95%) to go MM on this. I just like the thought of having the system open up when my foot is on it, which I tend to do a lot. If I decide to go closed, I'd probably go with this set up since many are recommending this one as well.

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by Not_HisZL1

3 - 1/4 mile track pulls vs 5000 miles (half regular driving and the rest racing all day and night multiple times a month for another 2,500 miles) is a comparison....

Maybe your motor is wearing out If you had that much blowby in only three runs something is wrong - seriously

Again, nothing about the UPR can is that different from Elite and volume appears to be less. Elite makes a larger can for >700 rwhp. Fitting it in the engine bay is the challenge

Originally Posted by Bangkok

I just like the thought of having the system open up when my foot is on it, which I tend to do a lot.

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Vented catch cans are not more efficient at full throttle if that's what you're implying. Higher velocity through the can means LESS oil is trapped and the big lines MM owners crow about mean nothing. You would need a much larger can and MM volume isn't much different. Again, clearance in the engine bay is the limitation

https://www.eng-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=1153

[v8]

Originally Posted by Bangkok_ZL1

Thanks for the advice. I decided against by passing cause some people told me there would be a slight stench at times and my female navigator has a sensitive nose. I've decided however, at least so far (95%) to go MM on this. I just like the thought of having the system open up when my foot is on it, which I tend to do a lot. If I decide to go closed, I'd probably go with this set up since many are recommending this one as well.

Anytime brother, as @ZX-10R mentioned, venting cans do not make them more efficient.

I'm not a salesperson for either brand, but the way I hooked up my Elite, it does have the ability to vent, should it need to. The thing is the one way valve I installed as an emergency vent is always dry, so I don't think my can ever vents (which is good). You have to remember your system is in vacuum like 90% of the time, and it's only when you are gunning it in boost is there is no vacuum. It is for these times that secondary line works. I think the two line system is really good and you can use quick connects so you don't have to cut into any lines. See my vid, I didn't cut anything factory for either line.

For the ZL1 if you have a Rotofab for the cold air intake, you can put a quick connect with a T underneath so it all works out great. I solved this with a guy who has a ZL1 and didn't want to cut his lines. Mine is a Z06, so the secondary line is a bit different. The primary lines are the same.

I think I might have to do a test on the Mightymouse, but the problem is the cost of all these things, and my Youtube channel doesn't make very much, so I'm always spending money to do things. I'll think about it, and I don't want a free one from Mightymouse, as it could be seen as a sponsored vid, and I don't want to do that. I love how I can say whatever I think in my vids as no one sponsors them.

If you have any questions just let me know

[Bangkok_ZL1]

Originally Posted by v8

Anytime brother, as @ZX-10R mentioned, venting cans do not make them more efficient.

I'm not a salesperson for either brand, but the way I hooked up my Elite, it does have the ability to vent, should it need to. The thing is the one way valve I installed as an emergency vent is always dry, so I don't think my can ever vents (which is good). You have to remember your system is in vacuum like 90% of the time, and it's only when you are gunning it in boost is there is no vacuum. It is for these times that secondary line works. I think the two line system is really good and you can use quick connects so you don't have to cut into any lines. See my vid, I didn't cut anything factory for either line.

For the ZL1 if you have a Rotofab for the cold air intake, you can put a quick connect with a T underneath so it all works out great. I solved this with a guy who has a ZL1 and didn't want to cut his lines. Mine is a Z06, so the secondary line is a bit different. The primary lines are the same.

I think I might have to do a test on the Mightymouse, but the problem is the cost of all these things, and my Youtube channel doesn't make very much, so I'm always spending money to do things. I'll think about it, and I don't want a free one from Mightymouse, as it could be seen as a sponsored vid, and I don't want to do that. I love how I can say whatever I think in my vids as no one sponsors them.

If you have any questions just let me know

Everybody get on his channel so he can buy more stuff to test!!!

[Bangkok_ZL1]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Maybe your motor is wearing out If you had that much blowby in only three runs something is wrong - seriously

Again, nothing about the UPR can is that different from Elite and volume appears to be less. Elite makes a larger can for >700 rwhp. Fitting it in the engine bay is the challenge



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Vented catch cans are not more efficient at full throttle if that's what you're implying. Higher velocity through the can means LESS oil is trapped and the big lines MM owners crow about mean nothing. You would need a much larger can and MM volume isn't much different. Again, clearance in the engine bay is the limitation

https://www.eng-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=1153

Clearance in the engine bay.... This will be interesting because my ZL1 is RHD. So Most everything will be the same. But maybe some small items have been changed. I know the rack has been changed (somehow). They said there is about 200 unique parts on this car. Which I'm sure many have to do with the dash and steering, but you never know what small nuances had to be changed. We'll see. I was thinking to add the can before my engine started it's break in. But I won't. I will probably do this after I have about a thousand miles on the car.

[Elite Engineering]

Great to see someone do the test on here, but the way your conducting it wont show what gets past each can to still be ingested. What a can traps is not nearly as important as what gets past, so here are the details on how to conduct the test, and a minimum of 1,000 miles, and 2,000 miles is far more accurate.


The entire reason for the test is to test effectiveness. Most people install a system on their engine to prevent the ingestion of the oil and other combustion byproducts. So you must start out with both cans empty and clean of all residue. And the cans MUST be run in series. The second can MUST be hooked up so the outlet from the first is connected to the inlet of the second. If not there is no way to determine what gets pulled through the first can to be trapped by the second, and then when reversed, the same thing. Here is an actual video again by a completely independent tech that shows every step of the test:




Any questions, please ask us, and again, thanks for taking the time to do this.


Sales@EliteEngineeringUSA.com and Tech@EliteEngineeringUSA.com






Also, we notice your not using the Venturi valve for secondary evacuation suction source. Your using the fresh/clean side source which MUST be routed through the oil sump tank to work properly and generates no usable vacuum, so your only using half of our system, which will do nothing when in boost/WOT. Our instructions show how to properly route the can, and it cannot work as your doing. To be clear, you MUST use a proper secondary vacuum source. I assume your thinking the secondary suction source is generated by a restricted air filter, and that is absolutely incorrect. You MUST use and actual Venturi effect vacuum generating barb as shown here:




And the checkvalves MUST be on both outlets flowing away from the can. Hooking it up as you have it it can't work. Your mixing clean and dirty sides together defeating the function.


Just ask or visit our website to find instructions. This must be conducted equally and fair and to hook ours up incorrectly, is not really fair. Also, something doesn't look right on your connections?

[Elite Engineering]

Originally Posted by v8

Hey Everyone,

The can I previously had was an APEX can and they don't make them anymore. It is an excellent multi chambered can which basically has the same design as Elites older can (but better)

I can assure you the APEX catch can was not a better performing catch can. APEX originally was an exclusive dealer for Elite Engineering, and then they copied our design, and attempted to sell it as their own. Needless to say APEX is now out of business.