[v8]

Hey Everyone,

So I was really curious as to how much the Elite catches, and for those that know me, I installed a different catch can on my car a while back. I was really curious about the Elite so I wanted to test this.

Full disclosure, I bought it with my own cash and the video was not sponsored at all.

I had a hiccup with the install as I found the Elite bracket could be made a little differently so I drilled it so I could get a better angle on the catch can. Keep in mind this is a Z06, so the ZL1 may have a better fit. This video is the installation video, and I will have to do a follow up video.

The can I previously had was an APEX can and they don't make them anymore. It is an excellent multi chambered can which basically has the same design as Elites older can (but better) The E2-X has a different design so I want to see how much of a difference it makes. Keep in mind the Elite is going against a top notch can.

Here is the vid of the install if anyone is interested, and I hope to have the follow up done in a month or two

[SJFGTO]

Thank you for all the work and expense. I am sure we may learn something, but to play Captain Obvious, the other CC, no matter how well renowned, is not an option for our Camaros. I get the point you are trying to make, but head to head with a non contender is of limited help. I think it is fairly well accepted the EE catch can works very well. How it measures up against something we can’t buy is not of great value IMHO. No disrespect intended

[ZX-10R]

Nice vid - looks like you used the MM diverter instead of the Elite one with the smaller orifice.

Elite also has a new bracket to mount the can in front and shorten the hoses.

You re-used the blower bolts which everyone says not to do, but I did as well. Elite told me they've never had an issue as long as you don't re-use them more than a couple of time and they are fairly new

[v8]

Originally Posted by SJFGTO

Thank you for all the work and expense. I am sure we may learn something, but to play Captain Obvious, the other CC, no matter how well renowned, is not an option for our Camaros. I get the point you are trying to make, but head to head with a non contender is of limited help. I think if is fairly well accepted the EE catch can works very well. How it measures up against something we can’t buy is not of great value IMHO. No disrespect intended

Thanks for the post and no disrespect taken at all. Your comment could have come off harsh, but you phrased it well, thanks for that, and I do appreciate your comment.

OK to address your question, the APEX can is based on the Elite's other can, but a much improved design; however, it was close enough to infringe on Elite's patent and that's why it had such a short run. Elite can chime in if they want, and if they don't it could be because of a non disclosure settlement or something like that.

I really wish Elite could manufacture a can of that quality, heck it doesn't even have an o-ring to seal when you open it, it is machined to seal, anyhoo I'm getting off base.

So everyone says this E2-X is really good, well we will see. I expect it to do very well. So this can be like and Elite vs Elite (maybe, well, kind of...) The thing with Elite is they do have a patent and that is really helping them, as there is not much on the market that compares. Take it from someone who has researched patents from the auto manufacturers trying to reduce oil injection, as well as university papers.

There are a bunch of folks that say there is no difference at all in these things and they are not needed. Toyota has a patent for a great design that looks like a can, I'm not aware if they actually used it on a vehicle. Without getting really technical there are a few design considerations, and one is the distance between the inlet and outlet port IN THE CAN. They can't be close. There are others, but I'm going off topic again.

So I was really curious about the E2-X so that's up now. I may do the Mightmouse, or JLT, not sure, but it does get expensive as I pay for everything as its the only way to be truly unbiased.

This vid was more of just the installation of the Elite, and what I found, there will be another on the comparison.

If you take anything away from the comparison vid coming you will be able to see approx 500kms on a brand new engine with no catch can, and then 500 with a catch can.

[v8]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Nice vid - looks like you used the MM diverter instead of the Elite one with the smaller orifice.

Elite also has a new bracket to mount the can in front and shorten the hoses.

You re-used the blower bolts which everyone says not to do, but I did as well. Elite told me they've never had an issue as long as you don't re-use them more than a couple of time and they are fairly new

Thanks for the comment, and the info about the new bracket. I'm just going to trim this one down and re-paint it so it looks better.

I am confused why we can't reuse the blower bolts. I know GM says to replace them, but they don't educate us as to why. As a former GM technician, every torque to yield bolt I have ever seen has a torque, like X foot pounds, and then you go X degrees or whatever, and the amount of degree turn you go after the torque is the stretching of the bolt. The European cars use this method as well, and you can feel the bolt stretching, as its not getting any tighter, it's a weird feeling. It's really pronounced on VW suspension bolts. These blower bolts do not feel like that, and do not have a tightening torque like a TTY bolt, so I'm puzzled. If anyone knows why please educate me as I would like to know. Maybe they want to sell new ones because they come with loctite on them?? I don't know, but you are right in that we have not heard of any of them breaking, and after a few uses it's probably a good idea to replace them because the loctite would be worn off, and people might forget to put more on.

The good thing is if I test other catch can's I don't have to lift the blower as its already plumbed, so no bolt worries. I can just use quick connects and put another can in pretty easy.

Good eye on catching the MM divertor, but my overall flow is the same, as I did put a restrictor close to the can. I was reading up on a Toyota patent about pressures and oil separation, so I wanted the pressure drop close to the can.

Hopefully in a month or two I will have the comparison vid out, most people will not care about the APEX performance as you can't get that can anymore anyway, but it will be a great vid on 500 with a can, and 500 with out. The first test is no can, then the APEX, now the Elite so if anything people can see the no can compared to the Elite.

Thanks for the comment buddy

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by v8

Good eye on catching the MM divertor, but my overall flow is the same, as I did put a restrictor close to the can.

You would be surprised how much that small orifice on the Elite valve flows under pressure. They have their reasons for putting it there, I think one reason us to increase velocity and create a venturi/eductor effect

Hopefully in a month or two I will have the comparison vid out, most people will not care about the APEX performance as you can't get that can anymore anyway, but it will be a great vid on 500 with a can, and 500 with out. The first test is no can, then the APEX, now the Elite so if anything people can see the no can compared to the Elite.

Looking forward to it, but what I really want to see is a comparison with MM, which many owners here seem to think is awesome because it has big hoses and can flow more air.

Problem is, the can isn't big enough (I don't think volume is much more than the Elite E2X) to handle the increased flow (i.e. volume would need to be increased significantly to achieve required velocity drop, but there isn't enough room in the engine bay) - moisture separator design 101.

[Not_HisZL1]

I had the Elite Engineering E2X and switched to UPR catch can and it is not even funny how much the UPR catch can catches. I did 3 runs at FL2K and filled up about half of a Zephyrhills water bottle. The EE E2X still left A LOT. I would get the same amount (half of a water bottle from the EE E2X catch can, but over 5,000 miles lol)

[ZX-10R]

https://uprproducts.com/16-21-camaro...oil-catch-can/

Never heard of UPR (there are so many of these things on the market) but if anything looks to be smaller volume. Interior baffling looks similar.

How you drive the car obviously makes a big difference, if you're on track and on boost all the time obviously blowby goes up. Your post isn't convincing that the Elite can is inferior

[v8]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

You would be surprised how much that small orifice on the Elite valve flows under pressure. They have their reasons for putting it there, I think one reason us to increase velocity and create a venturi/eductor effect



Looking forward to it, but what I really want to see is a comparison with MM, which many owners here seem to think is awesome because it has big hoses and can flow more air.

Problem is, the can isn't big enough (I don't think volume is much more than the Elite E2X) to handle the increased flow (i.e. volume would need to be increased significantly to achieve required velocity drop, but there isn't enough room in the engine bay) - moisture separator design 101.

You are right with the venturi effect with the restrictor, it does create a pressure drop, but this equalizes out shortly afterwards. I am still doing research regarding the best placement of the restrictor. It might actually be at the entrance of the can so the pressure drop is located right at the entrance. In that case, both me and Elite would have to change locations. This is one of those gotta have more research things.......

You are bang on with size, and through my research that is one area that is common among tests, you need volume which provides a good interior surface area. I hear a lot about the Mightmouse and I would not mind testing it.... The thing with the big hoses is that you can move the air, but can you clean it??

I know for the Mightmouse when you hook up the big hoses to the rocker cover, and plug the blower, you are bypassing a factory feature, there is a separator under the blower and the elite pulls from that. If you plug that and pull from the valve cover your can better work very very well, as the air is dirtier coming out the valve cover.

Thanks for the comment bud!!!

[Bangkok_ZL1]

Originally Posted by v8

You are right with the venturi effect with the restrictor, it does create a pressure drop, but this equalizes out shortly afterwards. I am still doing research regarding the best placement of the restrictor. It might actually be at the entrance of the can so the pressure drop is located right at the entrance. In that case, both me and Elite would have to change locations. This is one of those gotta have more research things.......

You are bang on with size, and through my research that is one area that is common among tests, you need volume which provides a good interior surface area. I hear a lot about the Mightmouse and I would not mind testing it.... The thing with the big hoses is that you can move the air, but can you clean it??

I know for the Mightmouse when you hook up the big hoses to the rocker cover, and plug the blower, you are bypassing a factory feature, there is a separator under the blower and the elite pulls from that. If you plug that and pull from the valve cover your can better work very very well, as the air is dirtier coming out the valve cover.

Thanks for the comment bud!!!

OK, so what would you recommend. I have NO WARRANTY on my brand new 2019 ZL1. I'm now convinced that I need this can. but this is the very first time I've ever worried about something like this. My previous sportscar was a rotary (Rx-7), there was no valves, and they ran on a bit of oil, LOL. So what would you install to catch all this oil on a brand new LT4 and no warranty and no Chevrolet to help being I'm here in Thailand? Or being here in Thailand, can I just do a complete bypass?

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by v8

It might actually be at the entrance of the can so the pressure drop is located right at the entrance. In that case, both me and Elite would have to change locations. This is one of those gotta have more research things.......

It makes sense to me to have it under the blower in the factory location. You want to suck the oil out with maximum velocity there, not at the can, or more oil could drop out in the lines going to the can (velocity helps entrain more droplets)

Bangkok - just order an Elite E2-X, it's the best overall (and proven) choice right now

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Not_HisZL1

I had the Elite Engineering E2X and switched to UPR catch can and it is not even funny how much the UPR catch can catches. I did 3 runs at FL2K and filled up about half of a Zephyrhills water bottle. The EE E2X still left A LOT. I would get the same amount (half of a water bottle from the EE E2X catch can, but over 5,000 miles lol)

I had a UPR catch can on my wife's Charger Hellcat and it worked phenomenally well. I had a Billet Technologies catch can on my Challenger Hellcat, it never caught as much as oil as the UPR on my wife's.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

It makes sense to me to have it under the blower in the factory location. You want to suck the oil out with maximum velocity there, not at the can, or more oil could drop out in the lines going to the can (velocity helps entrain more droplets)

Bangkok - just order an Elite E2-X, it's the best overall (and proven) choice right now

Best overall is your opinion. Proven, sure, as are many others.

[ZX-10R]

Best overall in terms of documentation of performance. These things aren't complicated, it comes down to volume (velocity drop) and baffling/mesh/separation chamber efficiency. No one that I've seen has run a back to back comparison under same conditions

1:30 in shows Elite can interior, I can't see that the UPR is much different and appears to be smaller volume