[PeteD]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Obviously, you are very passionate about your beliefs. So much so that you refuse to listen to the science, nor use common sense or logic. Good luck living in fear.

FWIW, the number of reported people that died in your state (NC)
yesterday? 30

The number of reported people that died in my state (AZ) yesterday? 4

The number of reported deaths in 10 states and the D.O.C. combined yesterday? 0

The highest number of reported deaths in the country yesterday? FL w/ 78

Total reported deaths for the US yesterday? 784

Average number of daily deaths for heart disease and cancer in the US (2018)? 3437

I do listen to the science. What part of that do you not get. Science says to wear it . That it helps. So I do..........Why do you keep wanting to use numbers and facts that are not relevant? Heart disease is not contagious, nor passed from one person to another by touch or air.

But since you brought up heart disease, that is actually mostly a preventable disease. Smoking, bad eating habits, and lack of exercise are the common reasons for it. It some cases it can be passed on from parents. But the majority is the aforementioned. Again, another disease that people just will not listen and do the right thing for. Then they leave someone else behind with the torment.....More selfish acts

And actually it was 13 yesterday and not 10......................

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

You do know that there are no laws forcing anyone to get vaccinated, right? Nor can your governor mandate it. (Well. I guess he or she could, but the courts would immediately strike it down)

Should everyone get vaccinated? Of course. Because vaccines work. Yet no mandate.

Masks? Don't work yet we have mandates.

Actually a governor can mandate it when it is something that concerns everyone or the greater good. Sure, the wackos will protest it and fight it in court. But in the end it is possible for them to do it.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by Rob3D

...while you’re at it screw vaccinations. Those are right up there with stupid laws regulating speed limits, crack houses, traffic lights and parachutes...laws that infringe upon my god given inalienable rights

And when I do die, I’m coming straight back here to whine about it.

What rights? Never seen in the Bible where there is a list of rights you have . You have bill of rights here in the US. And if you actually read them and understand them then you would know that our elected officials can change them or ammend them at anytime for the greater good of the commonwealth. Don't abide by them then they can and will enact laws to force you to. Don't do that then they give you time to think about it......

[Rob3D]

Clearly the laws enforcing understanding sarcasm have been thrown out the window.



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[95 imp]

Hold the bus!

Something is wrong with the math!

Help me out....

If 99% of known cases present no symptoms to mild symptoms that leaves 1%

1% have severe to critical symptoms. That, in my mind, would require medical attention and/or hospitalization.

Out of THAT 1% is where the deaths will come.

So, it would actually be 2.6% of 1% severe/critical patients that actually die.

Is that accurate?

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by PeteD

What rights? Never seen in the Bible where there is a list of rights you have . You have bill of rights here in the US. And if you actually read them and understand them then you would know that our elected officials can change them or ammend them at anytime for the greater good of the commonwealth. Don't abide by them then they can and will enact laws to force you to. Don't do that then they give you time to think about it......

Someone should of explained all this to all those maskless bastids back in 1776....

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Hold the bus!

Something is wrong with the math!

Help me out....

If 99% of known cases present no symptoms to mild symptoms that leaves 1%

1% have severe to critical symptoms. That, in my mind, would require medical attention and/or hospitalization.

Out of THAT 1% is where the deaths will come.

So, it would actually be 2.6% of 1% severe/critical patients that actually die.

Is that accurate?

No. Your example only includes those who sought medical care and ignores those who died without. The links you've provided in other posts to support your position use CDC data, why are you trying to say it's wrong now?

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Obviously, you are very passionate about your beliefs. So much so that you refuse to listen to the science, nor use common sense or logic.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Silver14

No. Your example only includes those who sought medical care and ignores those who died without. The links you've provided in other posts to support your position use CDC data, why are you trying to say it's wrong now?

I have never quoted/used CDC data. I use the data JHU quotes. I also posted the "NY study" that shows there are abnormalities in the "official" count

The data JHU use says just what I posted. 99% no symptoms to mild symptoms. (There is no definition of "mild". I assume that it is "flu like")

1% are severe to critical cases. So, out of that 1%, common sense would tell me that not all are admitted and treated as outpatients. Only a fraction of the 1% are actually "hospitalized".

That being said, even if the full 1% died, there are another 1.6% unaccounted for. Are you trying to say that they "just sat home and died" without seeking help?

And, please, do try to use my words against me. I have not once went on rants and demeaned people who disagree with me and insist they must.

In fact, quite the opposite. I think you pointed out an error of mine and I publicly acknowledged it.

I then politely asked your opinion on this because something isn't adding up. If that isn't using common sense, logic, or (attempting to) listen to the science, I do not know what is.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I have never quoted/used CDC data. I use the data JHU quotes. I also posted the "NY study" that shows there are abnormalities in the "official" count

The data JHU use says just what I posted. 99% no symptoms to mild symptoms. (There is no definition of "mild". I assume that it is "flu like")

1% are severe to critical cases. So, out of that 1%, common sense would tell me that not all are admitted and treated as outpatients. Only a fraction of the 1% are actually "hospitalized".

That being said, even if the full 1% died, there are another 1.6% unaccounted for. Are you trying to say that they "just sat home and died" without seeking help?

The Worldometers link uses CDC data as a source. Regardless, JHU, CDC, whatever #s are close enough where they all come out 2.6% death rate. Either you trust the sources you're quoting and take the 2.6% at face value, or you don't and it's puzzling why you'd use them if they're wrong.



Yes, I'm saying that not everyone dies in a hospital of any disease. When someone is dead and they do a postmortem, they find out the comorbidities. That's what the data is showing, # of people tested to have it, # of people tested or suspected to have died with it. If they went to bed feeling a little sick and died, it still counts. If they tried to tough it out because they thought it was a flu, it still counts. It doesn't only count if they went to a hospital.



I was simply pointing out why it was a flawed assumption. At this point it seems like you'll apply whatever assumptions until you reach your .26% death rate, no matter how illogical they are. I'm pointing out the absurdity of you telling others to listen to common sense and use logic, then you applying all this bar napkin math to it until you reach the conclusion you want. If that's using your words against you, ok . Sorry if you don't feel it's polite, I feel I'm being very neutral in attempting to point out why your math is incorrect.

[kevint]

It's been pretty nice rolling into the office with only 10% of the staff there. There are whole departments whose directors have said to just stay home; however, in R&D we're over 50% at any given time since we're considered essential.

[LillyPinon]

Not in that way but yes, it was hectic to work from home in lockdown days. I don't know what is going to happen in these winters.

[CamaroFan63]

Been off since May 18th.... but going back tomorrow
and Friday. Then Tues, Thurs, and Friday'.
Going to be weird never been off this long since i went to work
the first time in fall off 1980.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by CamaroFan63

Been off since May 18th.... but going back tomorrow
and Friday. Then Tues, Thurs, and Friday'.
Going to be weird never been off this long since i went to work
the first time in fall off 1980.

I start my layoff tomorrow. Going to suck for sure.......

[mlee]

Originally Posted by PeteD

I start my layoff tomorrow. Going to suck for sure.......

Damn... hate to hear that. I almost started mine tomorrow as well. Found out late today I made it though.

Hopefully it will only be a short pause.