[zaimer]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Looking at other car companies, Ford is the exception, not the norm.

I don't think people give BMW any trouble for their engine naming scheme(N55, S55, B58, etc.).

Or Honda(K20, J35).

Or Subaru(FB20, EJ25).

Or Nissan(VQ37).

I guess Ford is made for casuals who can't be bothered to even remember the engine code.

Now if you want to argue the 1LE/ZL1 bit, well, Germans can have the same issue with the M/AMG/RS. You can argue that comes down to marketing as well. That said, Chevy could have been more creative.

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I agree. I see no need for some "fancy" name for a motor. I'm glad you brought about the Germans, as the motor naming discussion had made me think of the of the German vehicle naming. They use rather simplistic model names, as to not take anything away from the vehicle itself. BMW and Mercedes in particular are well known for this. For example, rather than calling the car a "Grand Land Yacht" (similar to the philosophy other auto makers would use, i.e. Ford).... Mercedes has chosen to use "AMG S65".

[zaimer]

Originally Posted by shogun37

The Camaro and Mustang back-seats exist in the sense that they appear to be there but are otherwise useless unless you're 10yrs old or a double-amputee.
I agree the Camaro interior is more vocal about "I'm a muscle/track car" than the Mustang does. I got my SS/1LE when GM was "giving" them away back in 2019. I guess I lucked out on timing. They are a 'bad' deal these days vs Mustang or Dodge.

Having a tiny back seat is better than having no back seat at all. Yes, the ability to haul kids contributed to getting a Camaro vs a C7.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Well GM has 4 engines available in the Camaro. You could argue adding the LT5 would be a great addition, but that is now out of production and would have resulted in a near $100,000 Camaro which is self defeating. Especially when GM will shortly have a $100,000 C8 that would destroy that Camaro.

Ford had 3 V8s to GM's 2. 4 if you include tuned versions of the Coyote for the Bullet and Mach 1. And Ford I think eliminated the V6 all together.

As for Stilanotos? Not sure how many V8s they actually have, but Hellcat and Demon are well above everything else, but they at least bump the volume by putting them in Dodge and Jeep SUVs.

The issue is would more "packages" and performance engine choices actually sell more cars profitably.

Putting the LT5 in a Camaro would require a new hood. Not a huge deal. But other than being taller it fits. Now does the driveline work? Don't know if the added torque/HP works in the Camaro.

But GM has rarely done tuned bumps in cars. GM could easily sell a recalibration in service if they chose to. They did it for the old 2.0T and it was a solid increase.

Also keep in mind, we expected (hoped) to see a Z28 in the Gen6 and whether it was never in the plan or eliminated from the plan we will probably never know.

We do have one package that is impressive in the Camaro and that is the across the board 1LE package, available across the board with all powertrains. That simply makes the Camaro even better but may not be the type of package you are thinking about.

As for advertising, I just saw an article the GM would be copying the C8 online videos with the Camaro. So like the C8 there won't be TV advertisements, but there will be a greater online presence for the Camaro.

In the end, the very soonest we could see a Gen7 or even a "major" refresh is 80 weeks away because there simply aren't any camoflauged cars on the road. That would be a Spring of 22 launch as a 23 model. Clearly they can build the Alpha 1 with Alpha 2, they are doing it today. So other than safety or emissions there is no reason to stop the Camaro unless sales just tank further. Unlike the Gen4, the Camaro now shares the over head with LGR and spreads the load. But that's just speculation on my part.

You bring up good points.

There is zero reason for an LT5 Camaro to cost $100k, especially because it’s an existing engine. Ford and Dodge both released LT5 equivalent cars and none of them are $100k. The glass ceiling is in effect at GM. They would rather the Camaro fail than step on the toes of the Corvette.

[zaimer]

Originally Posted by WhitesnakeSS

I did the same. Got mine in March of 2019.
Its a 2018 2SS for 35k new. Sticker was 50k
I thought I hit the jackpot.

That is nuts!! You're lucky to find a decent used (several years old) 2SS for that price these days. For what I had wanted, I would have had to spend at least another $11K to get a new 2SS vs my mint, low mileage 2SS. I simply couldn't justify the price to get a 3-year newer car, with 10K less miles, not getting my preferred color (yellow) & I don't care for the updated front ends as much.

[WhitesnakeSS]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

There is zero reason for an LT5 Camaro to cost $100k, especially because it’s an existing engine.

With that said why not make the 495 hp LT2 standard for the SS and leave the 455 hp LT1 for the LT1 model.
Again it's options that would spark new sales and new interests.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by ModernCamaroZ28Fan

That's a LT1 SC630. It's basically an aftermarket 630 HP LT1, just like the old yenkos.

All 1LEs (except the SSes) have RS packages, meaning they have the same headlights as the LT1 on my signature.

REF: https://www.callawaycars.com/homepag...ay-c18-camaro/

That is super cool.

[JT58]

The LT1 is new and not many people except us enthusiasts know about it. Your typical buyer (not enthusiast) will first go for a nice color, decent option package, automatic transmission and price as priority- if they are looking for a sporty car. So a manual transmission LT1 is going to be very appealing to only people that really know the car- and know how to drive a manual transmission. Most people I am guessing know an "SS" as that badge has been around practically forever. So if they waned to upgrade, they might go for an SS.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

GM needs to promote the tire smoking car like Dodge does.

Then all they need to do is show an LT1 Model shredding the all seasons. LOL

It is too easy to get sideways in a stock LT1. With MTs problem solved.

[90503]

There is no place for ICE performance Camaros in GM's future. They are spending billions in other areas for their announced all electric only line-up in the near future.

The 6th Gen Camaro does not fit in with their declared mission statement of PC correctness and saving the planet with electric cars. The Camaro represents an abomination and relic of the past gas guzzlers that are likely more of an embarrassment to their plans that they probably wish were already discontinued. Certainly the ICE Camaro will not be promoted or advertised in any serious manner.

Five million bucks spent for one Super Bowl Hummer ad, and untold millions to the celebrity spokesman for BLM and Hummer, LeBron James. That is the future that GM foresees, not anything close to Vin Diesel and Dodge or any promotions for the current Camaro.

Good luck. Get a Camaro while you can, they will be gone soon enough, but probably not soon enough for the future of GM and Chevy.

[Fraxum]

I think the problem the LT1 is perception more than reality. And part of the reason is the members here if anyone comes here for advice. If you track then get an SS over an LT as that is the only real upgrade between the two. I have owned a 2SS and an A10 ZL1 before the LT1. Both of those had all the options. And Chevy on purpose keeps you from adding better tires and heated seats even if you buy the Recaros with the LT1.

The option list is an enigma to me. I only slightly miss the HUD from the other 2 Camaros. And then just the GPS notifications without taking your eyes off the road.

And the lane warnings should be standard on every Camaro.

Another problem as mentioned before is the sales persons. I too looked at an LT1 and the salesman was explaining how great the V6 was. I told him I wanted a V8 and left. He called me back on the way home. I didn't answer.

To me I think the Camaro LT1 is one of the best performance bargains on the planet. It is a secret Chevy keeps.

[TorontoLT1]

"To me I think the Camaro LT1 is one of the best performance bargains on the planet. It is a secret Chevy keeps."

100 % correct !

New 2020 Riverside Blue M6, NPP, Lip Spoiler, Alloy wheels. PBC engine built at Corvette plant... $31,900.

[Thill444]

Originally Posted by 90503

There is no place for ICE performance Camaros in GM's future. They are spending billions in other areas for their announced all electric only line-up in the near future.

The 6th Gen Camaro does not fit in with their declared mission statement of PC correctness and saving the planet with electric cars. The Camaro represents an abomination and relic of the past gas guzzlers that are likely more of an embarrassment to their plans that they probably wish were already discontinued. Certainly the ICE Camaro will not be promoted or advertised in any serious manner.

Five million bucks spent for one Super Bowl Hummer ad, and untold millions to the celebrity spokesman for BLM and Hummer, LeBron James. That is the future that GM foresees, not anything close to Vin Diesel and Dodge or any promotions for the current Camaro.

Good luck. Get a Camaro while you can, they will be gone soon enough, but probably not soon enough for the future of GM and Chevy.

Well they just invested billions in a mid engine ICE Corvette, so there is that...

[WhitesnakeSS]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Another problem as mentioned before is the sales persons. I too looked at an LT1 and the salesman was explaining how great the V6 was. I told him I wanted a V8 and left. He called me back on the way home. I didn't answer.

I had the same experience from a dealer while shopping. He tried to tell me how he couldn't tell the difference in power from a V6 and the V8.
I said...you not very familiar with them are you? He said he was.
That told me enough about him.
I didn't experience that again but was amazed at the statement. I'm not a young kid or the typical women wanting to look cute over power.
If he ( maybe 25 himself) couldn't look at me and tell the difference he will likely have a short time at the job.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by 90503

There is no place for ICE performance Camaros in GM's future. They are spending billions in other areas for their announced all electric only line-up in the near future.

The 6th Gen Camaro does not fit in with their declared mission statement of PC correctness and saving the planet with electric cars. The Camaro represents an abomination and relic of the past gas guzzlers that are likely more of an embarrassment to their plans that they probably wish were already discontinued. Certainly the ICE Camaro will not be promoted or advertised in any serious manner.

Five million bucks spent for one Super Bowl Hummer ad, and untold millions to the celebrity spokesman for BLM and Hummer, LeBron James. That is the future that GM foresees, not anything close to Vin Diesel and Dodge or any promotions for the current Camaro.

Good luck. Get a Camaro while you can, they will be gone soon enough, but probably not soon enough for the future of GM and Chevy.

I’ll never by a new GM product. I’ve got some ideas where they can shove their SJW crap.