[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

Toyota is no better. Toyota is a bunch of hype for years.

Maybe when there are issues, but we’ve had two Highlanders & MiL had one as well. Almost zero issues.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by ItsChristianInHD

+1

GM doesn’t care about their customers. It’s sad.

I agree. Every gen of Vette has got worse. C6's were nothing like the C7's as far as probs. My 2013 needed the pass side gas tank replaced as many had to be replaced. I kept smelling gas in the garage. It was no cost to me, but the whole rear of the car had to come off. MY C7 was bad from day one and got sent packing. Now C8 's are having probs.

Now i gotta wonder if i have a ticking time bomb and don't wanna mod and take any chances.

[Venomcustom]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

I agree. Every gen of Vette has got worse. C6's were nothing like the C7's as far as probs. My 2013 needed the pass side gas tank replaced as many had to be replaced. I kept smelling gas in the garage. It was no cost to me, but the whole rear of the car had to come off. MY C7 was bad from day one and got sent packing. Now C8 's are having probs.

Now i gotta wonder if i have a ticking time bomb and don't wanna mod and take any chances.

We all know about your corvettes.... It’s like a broken record. Relax and enjoy the car. Hold off on the mods or change the valve springs with the rest of the mods.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Venomcustom

We all know about your corvettes.... It’s like a broken record. Relax and enjoy the car. Hold off on the mods or change the valve springs with the rest of the mods.

Both C6's were great cars. Other than the gas tank leak in 2013 the only other prob in 3 years was the seat control broke as the plastic would crack over time and the contacts would come part. My 06 C6 never had a prob.

The 2021 LTT runs strong as a horse and i am more than happy with it. Now when i drive i gotta ask myself if i am gonna hear a loud BOOM. I guess if i get past 1k miles i should be fine.

[Venomcustom]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Both C6's were great cars. Other than the gas tank leak in 2013 the only other prob in 3 years was the seat control broke as the plastic would crack over time and the contacts would come part. My 06 C6 never had a prob.

The 2021 LTT runs strong as a horse and i am more than happy with it. Now when i drive i gotta ask myself if i am gonna hear a loud BOOM. I guess if i get past 1k miles i should be fine.

The key is not to think about it. I don’t. I’m a 700 miles and if it breaks it breaks. I be damned if my weekend toy causes me that much stress. If it does.... it’s gone. If it was my daily then I’d still feel the same. Lol

[ItsChristianInHD]

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

220 miles?? Should be no bickering and dickering. Mary Barra needs to do the right thing and replace the whole effing car. She makes about $21mill a year. She should buy you a car. The car had a major failure pretty much driving it off the lot.

Jesus what do you do with that much money? I make a fraction of that and I’d say I’m doing alright. Maybe they should spend more money on quality parts rather than being cheap, especially for the Camaro or Vette their halo cars.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Venomcustom

The key is not to think about it. I don’t. I’m a 700 miles and if it breaks it breaks. I be damned if my weekend toy causes me that much stress. If it does.... it’s gone. If it was my daily then I’d still feel the same. Lol

Guess if i never saw this thread i would have never known. I can't keep up with all the crap that goes on these days. This is why i am mod shy anymore.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Msquared

And if you think it's just American car companies (which FCA isn't, btw), then you should give VW a try sometime! Actually, Honda has probably screwed over more customers than anyone but somehow they get away without a bad rep (look up automatic transmissions and cylinder deactivation). Anyone who thinks GM is going to voluntarily replace every LT1 they installed in a six-month period when 99% of them will never have a problem is insane. No responsible company would ever work that way. But if your engine has a problem, they seem to cover it without question. That's all you can ask of any company.

I still go to the Accord forum from time to time as I owned two of them(08 EX-L Coupe V6 A5 and 08 EX Sedan I4 M5). There was recently a guy that posted about his 18 Accord 2.0T having a failed engine and they are having trouble with Honda honouring the warranty. Honda claimed that they modded the engine despite that the owner saying the car is bone stock and Honda refused to reveal any details. Pretty slimy.

Like any mass-produced products, there are going to be one or two lemons slipping past the QA. So far, it doesn't look like LT1 is having any wide-spread issues. As long as GM is honouring the warranty and replacing the occasional, failed engines, that's all good.

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

220 miles?? Should be no bickering and dickering. Mary Barra needs to do the right thing and replace the whole effing car. She makes about $21mill a year. She should buy you a car. The car had a major failure pretty much driving it off the lot.

Demanding a new car due to a failed engine is a bit ridiculous. If it's a chassis issue then that's a different story, but you don't look like you understand how cooperations work.

[Venomcustom]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Guess if i never saw this thread i would have never known. I can't keep up with all the crap that goes on these days. This is why i am mod shy anymore.

Exactly!! Enjoy your new car man. I love mine.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Guess if i never saw this thread i would have never known. I can't keep up with all the crap that goes on these days. This is why i am mod shy anymore.

& you really shouldn’t unless you are willing to shell out some big bucks.

Then again this is a well known issue & no way a CoL would hold up their claim of a voided warranty for broken springs if you have some minor bolt-ons. They’d absolutely get ass raped by the equivalent of a 800 lb gorilla in dense jungle where no one would hear their cries for help.

A part of me really wants to see them nailed to the wall for a retroactive QC that really could have been caught by said QC testing.

Anecdotal comparison is an employee of mine who is a snowmobile racer that formerly worked at Polaris. He is very knowledgeable & had a position testing engines as they ran out of engine testing. He told me he experienced a high number of engine issues during a period of time & sent the engines back to be fixed tagging what he identified as an an issue. They labeled each engine with a corresponding tag that noted his complaint. He would re-run them post-repair to see if the issue was rectified & most times it would, but a few weren’t fixed.

If GM did 1/4 of that testing & pre-production analysis we wouldn’t be seeing near the failure rate of current because they would have caught the issue early before these engines made their way into vehicles. It’s not like they didn’t have months due to “OMG COVID” during that time to thoroughly test the engines.

Now they are playing catch-up & deserve to lose money because of it.

Then again, contracts with suppliers being what they are, the contractors for the springs should be liable. That is unless they were using a Chinese supplier, then, in that case let them stew in their juices for being stupid.

[Thill444]

If you do mod for power just budget for some aftermarket valve springs

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

If GM did 1/4 of that testing & pre-production analysis we wouldn’t be seeing near the failure rate of current because they would have caught the issue early before these engines made their way into vehicles. It’s not like they didn’t have months due to “OMG COVID” during that time to thoroughly test the engines.

Are you high, or do you just have no idea what you're talking about? Do you honestly think GM doesn't do as much testing and "pre-production analysis" (whatever that means) as Polaris? Really!? The quantity and severity of OEM testing these days would absolutely boggle your mind. The fact in this case is that a supplier provided a bad batch of springs. It happens. I'm sure GM has some remedy with the supplier. GM is fixing the motors that break. It's going to be a very, very small percentage of vehicles that are affected. This is nothing.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Msquared

It happens. I'm sure GM has some remedy with the supplier. GM is fixing the motors that break. It's going to be a very, very small percentage of vehicles that are affected. This is nothing.

Excusing this situation like that is not acceptable. I thank God I’m not involved in this issue and totally feel for those who are. They have every right to be upset at GM for how the company is handling this mess and it’s indicative of the complacency and complete lack of quality control and customer support that contributed to their bankruptcy. The bottom line is that it’s General Motors name on the car no matter who is responsible for the defective springs, and knowing the batch of faulty springs were made, the proper way to conduct business and take care of the customers is to replace every spring in every engine built with the batch in question before failure occurs.

GM makes cool cars but their quality and customer service has always sucked. If it wasn’t for the Camaro I’d have never come back to GM after the issues I had with my Beretta that made me buy nothing but Honda’s for the last 23 years. So just because I own and love my Camaro does not mean I’m a blind GM fan boy.

Take off the blinders.

Waiting for a valve to break, thus causing complete engine destruction, is NOT the proper approach. Let’s leave our customer stranded on the highway? Let’s make sure the entire engine is destroyed then take two months for a full replacement? No. Absolutely not.

“It happens” is NOT an excuse.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

Excusing this situation like that is not acceptable. I thank God I’m not involved in this issue and totally feel for those who are. They have every right to be upset at GM for how the company is handling this mess and it’s indicative of the complacency and complete lack of quality control and customer support that contributed to their bankruptcy. The bottom line is that it’s General Motors name on the car no matter who is responsible for the defective springs, and knowing the batch of faulty springs were made, the proper way to conduct business and take care of the customers is to replace every spring in every engine built with the batch in question before failure occurs.

GM makes cool cars but their quality and customer service has always sucked. If it wasn’t for the Camaro I’d have never come back to GM after the issues I had with my Beretta that made me buy nothing but Honda’s for the last 23 years. So just because I own and love my Camaro does not mean I’m a blind GM fan boy.

Take off the blinders.

Waiting for a valve to break, thus causing complete engine destruction, is NOT the proper approach. Let’s leave our customer stranded on the highway? Let’s make sure the entire engine is destroyed then take two months for a full replacement? No. Absolutely not.

“It happens” is NOT an excuse.

That's not how businesses work.

Businesses care about making money. If something makes them money, they will do it. If it doesn't, they don't do it.

Fact is that 99% of the buyers won't ever be aware of this TSB unless they encounter this issue, and so GM is just going to replace the springs as they fail.

Remember the Ford Pinto fuel tank explosions? Same thing. Ford did the numbers and found out that redesigning the tank and the car cost more than the lawsuits they have to deal with, and so they stuck with the faulty design.

Not saying this is really the most ethical practice, but that's just how businesses work.

BTW, Honda has their mess-ups. Everyone does. Good thing that your Accord Coupe V6 is a manual. If you have an auto(with the VCM), you'd be badmouthing Honda for all the oil consumption and spark plug fouling right now.

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