[Mountain]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I think it will be track dependent, but I would bet on the SS putting up better times. In terms of value clear win for SS1LE. As far as limited I would be shocked if it was any more limited than the Bullitt. First few months will see greedy dealers then discounts eventually. I mean you can Find new Bullitts now for 3-5K off.



My initial reactions

I am surprised Ford didn't up the power at all, my first thought initially was its a Bullitt with stickers and wheels

This car is every Ford guys favorite expression to bash GM a total parts bin car lol. This is what the PP2 should have been from the start. Glad they have the tremec, glad they are offering the A10 and seems like plenty of cooling. Looks wise meh, I am probably in minority but no shaker hood is a big swing and miss for me.

Overall nice package to add to the lineup, but nothing oh my god

Yup - agreed.

I'm sure this will put down lap times the same as and probably slightly faster than the SS 1LE. The PP2 is already right there and this car is an improvement on that. Honestly, although I like the GT350 looks way more, this would be the car I'd get over a GT350: It'll likely be just about as fast, it will cost less and you wont have to worry about the FPC (GT350 w/CPC and I'd have that in my garage tomorrow). Sad that the rear Brembos didn't make it.

As far as the looks: I like it. It's better than the 2018-2020 GT front fascia, for sure.

I have to wonder: With the "deleted" upper-grille fog lights... will this fascia get used on the regular 2021 GT's? I have to believe so, and with added fog lights. Reason being is, I find it hard to believe Ford would invest into an bespoke front fascia system for a non-halo Mustang. But, maybe if the MSRP is ~$55k+, I could see it.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

No mention of the tires? I assume the handling pack will have the MPSC2s on it and the regular PS4S.

From the press release....

To improve ride and handling, Mach 1 features the latest MagneRide calibration, a stiffer steering I-shaft, new EPAS calibration, stiffer sway bars and front springs, a brake booster from the Mustang GT Performance Pack Level 2, 9.5-inch/10-inch split fitment wheels with Michelin PS4 tires, a rear subframe with stiffer bushings and a rear toe-link from Shelby GT500.

That's the "base car". I looked at some B-roll footage of the Handling Pack version and caught a still of the front tire. Cup 2.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The bold sums up my thoughts. Plus, Ford should have at least tried to catch up to GM with HUD and/or PDR.

Besides the 480 horse power instead of the 500+ some hoped for, which is what I assumed the whole time, everything sounds and looks good.

Nice 350 esque front grill and defuser. Superior tremec 3160 and the revised front end are a great addition, the 350 and 500 front emd geometry is just superior and many still complained about the pp2s handling manners regardless of the nice tires and shocks trying to mask a flawd chassis.

Only thing I don't like is the optional handling pack, should be standard, but atleast its only available on the manmission!

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Besides the 480 horse power instead of the 500+ some hoped for, which is what I assumed the whole time, everything sounds and looks good.

Nice 350 esque front grill and defuser. Superior tremec 3160 and the revised front end are a great addition, the 350 and 500 front emd geometry is just superior and many still complained about the pp2s handling manners regardless of the nice tires and shocks trying to mask a flawd chassis.

Only thing I don't like is the optional handling pack, should be standard, but atleast its only available on the manmission!

I think the biggest complaint was that the PP2 was prone to tramlining. It had square setup Cup 2 tires. Going to offset front / rear Cup 2 for Mach I should eliminate that. There were no tramlining complaints on the GT350 with offset tire sizes.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Yup - agreed.

I'm sure this will put down lap times the same as and probably slightly faster than the SS 1LE. The PP2 is already right there and this car is an improvement on that. Honestly, although I like the GT350 looks way more, this would be the car I'd get over a GT350: It'll likely be just about as fast, it will cost less and you wont have to worry about the FPC (GT350 w/CPC and I'd have that in my garage tomorrow). Sad that the rear Brembos didn't make it.

As far as the looks: I like it. It's better than I 2018-2020 GT front fascia, for sure.

I have to wonder: With the "deleted" upper-grille fog lights... will this fascia get used on the regular 2021 GT's? I have to believe so, and with added fog lights. Reason being is, I find it hard to believe Ford would invest into an bespoke front fascia system for a non-halo Mustang. But, maybe if the MSRP is ~$55k+, I could see it.

Lap times should be interesting, the chassis is better than the pp2 but on inferior ps4s. Sure the pp2 was "right there" with the 1le but so was the base gt350 so I'm looking forward to the comparos.

Also how the tremec gearing affects straight line performance for the manual 5.0. In theory it should be more suited to the 5.0s power band than the longish gearing of the current mt82s but the 350 wasn't all that impressive from a dig in a straight line even with the aggressively geared tr3160. Having said that the 5.0 is stronger down low which could have some benefits over the voodoo in a manual car imo.

10 speed with the extra 20 hp should make it the clear cut quickest pony car in the segment as long as it doesn't under perfrom like it did in the bullit, which I've never seen put up as good of times as a regular m6 5.0.

Very interesting car and great looking too. The manual 5.0 to have for sure!

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I think the biggest complaint was that the PP2 was prone to tramlining. It had square setup Cup 2 tires. Going to offset front / rear Cup 2 for Mach I should eliminate that. There were no tramlining complaints on the GT350 with offset tire sizes.

Correct but most of those complaints were for street driving, on track the 305s square mostly served their purpose. Though now with a better front end set up they don't need to put a "bandaid" on its inherit front end issues with 305s up front and I'm sure the stanggered setup will perform better overall like it does on the gt350.

I also didn't catch that you said the handling pack will be on cup 2s. Guess its not on inferior tires. Lap times should probably be between an ss 1le and a 19+ gt350 with cup 2s, which is splitting hairs and should still be close and competative.

[13vertss]

Once optioned out with performance package, this car will be near $60,000

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The bold sums up my thoughts. Plus, Ford should have at least tried to catch up to GM with HUD and/or PDR.

To Ford's defense, they do have that full digital instrument gauge cluster and the "good neighbour mode" can be handy if you have a neighbour that likes to complain about everything, but yeah, a HUD would have been nice.

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Once optioned out with performance package, this car will be near $60,000

Ouch. That starts to get into the C8 Stingray price range(without the price gauging).

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Besides the 480 horse power instead of the 500+ some hoped for, which is what I assumed the whole time, everything sounds and looks good.

Nice 350 esque front grill and defuser. Superior tremec 3160 and the revised front end are a great addition, the 350 and 500 front emd geometry is just superior and many still complained about the pp2s handling manners regardless of the nice tires and shocks trying to mask a flawd chassis.

Only thing I don't like is the optional handling pack, should be standard, but atleast its only available on the manmission!

The Mach 1 is “the most track-capable 5.0-liter Mustang ever”. “The modern pinnacle of style, handling and 5.0-liter V-8 pony car performance.“

Does that mean the Mach 1 model is the “handling package”?

If not, what is the Mach 1 without the handling package? The freaking Tremec is tied to it.

Is there a Getrag version of the Mach 1? Is the A10 not the most track-capable 5.0?

The Handling Package – exclusively available with the Tremec™ 3160 6-speed manual transmission – also includes a larger unique higher downforce front splitter, new front wheel lip moldings, and a low-gloss Magnetic swing spoiler with a Gurney flap and rear tire spats from Shelby GT500.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The Mach 1 is “the most track-capable 5.0-liter Mustang ever”. “The modern pinnacle of style, handling and 5.0-liter V-8 pony car performance.“

Does that mean the Mach 1 model is the “handling package”?

If not, what is the Mach 1 without the handling package? The freaking Tremec is tied to it.

Is there a Getrag version of the Mach 1? Is the A10 not the most track-capable 5.0?

FWIW, Randy P put down a faster official time in the ZL1 M6 vs the A10 in this test (same day it seems):
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...t-test-review/

"A terrible thing happened back in December during our First Test of the then brand-new Camaro ZL1. Randy Pobst, our lap-record-setting machine/professional race car driver cohort, went out and ran a 1:26.16 lap in the manual version of the burly Camaro on the big track at Willow Springs International Raceway, aka Big Willow. Then he did 1:26.48 in the 10-speed automatic version. The problem was that the auto was supposed to be the quicker of the two."

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

FWIW, Randy P put down a faster official time in the ZL1 M6 vs the A10 in this test (same day it seems):
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...t-test-review/

"A terrible thing happened back in December during our First Test of the then brand-new Camaro ZL1. Randy Pobst, our lap-record-setting machine/professional race car driver cohort, went out and ran a 1:26.16 lap in the manual version of the burly Camaro on the big track at Willow Springs International Raceway, aka Big Willow. Then he did 1:26.48 in the 10-speed automatic version. The problem was that the auto was supposed to be the quicker of the two."

This is true, however later that day the a10 set a slightly faster unofficial lap times after some corrections to tire pressure were made if I remeber the foot notes correctly.

Regardless if the a10s are faster or not it wouldn't by much and the numbers show that. I believe something similar happened with the Porsche gt3 as well, the m6 eas within a few tenths of the dct. I still feel the m6's are the better and more durable trans for the heavy duty track use vs torque converter autos imo. The c7 z06 kind of proved that.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by hotlap

The Mach 1 is “the most track-capable 5.0-liter Mustang ever”. “The modern pinnacle of style, handling and 5.0-liter V-8 pony car performance.“

Does that mean the Mach 1 model is the “handling package”?

If not, what is the Mach 1 without the handling package? The freaking Tremec is tied to it.

Is there a Getrag version of the Mach 1? Is the A10 not the most track-capable 5.0?

Ford does the handling pack thing a lot. Just like the base gt500 also has a handling pack option and the original gt350s had the track packs with coolers. Track pack just makes the mach 1 better with better aero and probably better tires too.

There's no mt82 equipped mach 1. The track pack can only be had with the tremec and the non track pack can have either the tremec or a10.

I would asusme Ford doesn't see the 10r80 as the optimal track trans. Maybe their calibration of tha a10 couldn't produce better times than the a10 or maybe the a10 is harder to keep cool during extended track sessions.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Once optioned out with performance package, this car will be near $60,000

Damn that's pretty steep. Hopefully it puts up numbers that justify that.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

From the press release....

To improve ride and handling, Mach 1 features the latest MagneRide calibration, a stiffer steering I-shaft, new EPAS calibration, stiffer sway bars and front springs, a brake booster from the Mustang GT Performance Pack Level 2, 9.5-inch/10-inch split fitment wheels with Michelin PS4 tires, a rear subframe with stiffer bushings and a rear toe-link from Shelby GT500.

That's the "base car". I looked at some B-roll footage of the Handling Pack version and caught a still of the front tire. Cup 2.

I don't think I've seen a wheel design like this before - asymmetric designs within each other. Usually there's some type of mirror or flipping going on w/ the spokes of more complicated wheel design. But it works; the wheels look really good IMO on the Handling pack Mach 1. I like it much better than the base mag wheels - I'm not a fan of mag style wheels (Bullitt wheels, Mach 1 wheels, etc.).