In Stock roll bar for ZL1??

TMR · 05-20-2020, 04:07 PM

Does anyone know if any manufactures carry their Roll bar in stock for the ZL1 1LE?

I do not want to wait 6 weeks. Need harnesses and more safety. Many track events in the next few weeks.

Also need the same thing for a 2019 ZR1

thank you for any help

seanblurr · 05-20-2020, 05:18 PM

IMO, I wouldn't trust your life on any of the currently available bolt-in varieties in a true vehicle rollover.

If you aren't comfortable with a harness bar and want to use a 6 point harness, a bolt-in bar could be an option to provide a bit more security over just a harness bar and harness. But understand the limitations and potential hazards of a bolt-in rollbar.

FYI, I have a Studio RSR bar in my car now. It's a quality piece, but I wouldn't buy it again. It seems more of a show item than anything. I've considered having it welded in because I don't trust the mounting bolts in the slightest.

kropscamaro16 · 05-20-2020, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by seanblurr

IMO, I wouldn't trust your life on any of the currently available bolt-in varieties in a true vehicle rollover.

If you aren't comfortable with a harness bar and want to use a 6 point harness, a bolt-in bar could be an option to provide a bit more security over just a harness bar and harness. But understand the limitations and potential hazards of a bolt-in rollbar.

FYI, I have a Studio RSR bar in my car now. It's a quality piece, but I wouldn't buy it again. It seems more of a show item than anything. I've considered having it welded in because I don't trust the mounting bolts in the slightest.

lol isnt it nasa certified or just for hpde days?

seanblurr · 05-20-2020, 06:21 PM

A roll bar can't really be "NASA certified". NASA isn't a certifying body such as DOT, SNELL etc. that inspects and certifies certain safety equipment. So for Studio RSR to say that is somewhat misleading.

Does the main hoop design follow NASA/SCCA rule book/tech inspection guidelines? Yes.

Would it pass a NASA or SCCA annual logbook tech inspection? No. No, because the only time you need an annual tech inspection is for a car that is raced wheel to wheel, and you need much more than a 4-point bolt-in roll bar.

So to say a bolt-in roll-bar is NASA certified is almost an oxymoron of sorts. Because a bolt-in roll-bar would never need to pass a tech inspection by any of the governing bodies. Nor, if we are playing a "what-if" scenario, do I believe the bar would even pass such an inspection. Based off how and where it mounts in the car, and the inability to use adequate backing plates.

s.hammer · 05-20-2020, 08:29 PM

I would recommend RPM over RSR as far as safety, but not sure if they have any in stock. Also be warned, it is not the easiest install. As far as level of additional safety, I tend to look at it in percentages. RSR may provide a certain percentage above stock, RPM may provide double the percentage of RSR. Custom weld in cage is going to provide the highest percentage of safety but we are not talking 0 to 100 here. Stock the car is a tank. I have seen one roll, no roll bar, both driver and passenger walked away without issue. We are talking about adding 5 to 10 percent for bolt in IMO and maybe 15-20 for full weld in cage. Once again, just my opinion/ way of looking at the issue. Same can be said about 3 point/ 4 point/ 5 point/ and 6 point harnesses, race seats, and airbags. At the end of the day, experience, and using your head while driving will keep you safer than any harness or roll bar assuming no mechanical failure or your car or the car in front of you.
Side note: When RSR tells you 6 weeks, don't expect it in 6 weeks.

breakskeet · 05-20-2020, 09:46 PM

I have an RPM roll bar. It is all one piece and well bolted in with backing plates. Yes it is not welded in but it is quite substantial. The install, being one piece, is not a one person job and will take patience getting it in. I paid a friend of mine to do it and he severely underbid the job. I was happy to increase the payment once I saw the difficulty and I am extremely happy with the fit and finish of the bar.

If you are concerned about you safety but you don't want to wait 6 weeks then you have a decision to make. Call RPM rollbars or another company and see how much it will cost for a rush order.

I ran many track events in solo (yellow) group and a few in intermediate group (blue) with stock seats, belts, no hybrid device and no roll bar. Shortly after graduating into the intermediate group is when I really realized that I needed safety equipment due to the speeds I was beginning to carry. A that point I began to buy the necessary items: RPM roll bar, Schroth 6 point restraints, Sabelt seats. Sparco bases and seat mounts and Hans device. I continued to run in the intermediate group working on technique and building skill and experience getting ready for advanced group (red) until I had every thing ready to instal. The next track weekend after every thing was installed I took one day to get used to all the new equipment and feel of being harnessed in. The second day I took my drivers test and promoted to advanced group.

The first thing I realized once I started tracking with all the safety equipment was that I had no idea how much I was bracing myself during the course of a lap. Pushing on the dead pedal. Using a knee or and elbow here and there. With the seats and the harness I became one with the car. I could feel so much more and drive so much more relaxed.

TMR · 05-21-2020, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by breakskeet

I have an RPM roll bar. It is all one piece and well bolted in with backing plates. Yes it is not welded in but it is quite substantial. The install, being one piece, is not a one person job and will take patience getting it in. I paid a friend of mine to do it and he severely underbid the job. I was happy to increase the payment once I saw the difficulty and I am extremely happy with the fit and finish of the bar.

If you are concerned about you safety but you don't want to wait 6 weeks then you have a decision to make. Call RPM rollbars or another company and see how much it will cost for a rush order.

I ran many track events in solo (yellow) group and a few in intermediate group (blue) with stock seats, belts, no hybrid device and no roll bar. Shortly after graduating into the intermediate group is when I really realized that I needed safety equipment due to the speeds I was beginning to carry. A that point I began to buy the necessary items: RPM roll bar, Schroth 6 point restraints, Sabelt seats. Sparco bases and seat mounts and Hans device. I continued to run in the intermediate group working on technique and building skill and experience getting ready for advanced group (red) until I had every thing ready to instal. The next track weekend after every thing was installed I took one day to get used to all the new equipment and feel of being harnessed in. The second day I took my drivers test and promoted to advanced group.

The first thing I realized once I started tracking with all the safety equipment was that I had no idea how much I was bracing myself during the course of a lap. Pushing on the dead pedal. Using a knee or and elbow here and there. With the seats and the harness I became one with the car. I could feel so much more and drive so much more relaxed.

Seats and harnesses are on the immediate buy list too. I came from having a Porsche for a track car (not too uncommon here I bet). By comparison upgrades for the Camaro are so inexpensive. I am having fun racing and upgrading the car.

The only thing more fun that passing a Porsche with a Porsche is passing one with a Camaro.

Still trying to figure out what seats to buy.

I will call RSR and RPM and see about a rush order. As always thank you to everyone for saving me hours I do not have trying to get the right answers!

TMR · 05-21-2020, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by s.hammer

I would recommend RPM over RSR as far as safety, but not sure if they have any in stock. Also be warned, it is not the easiest install. As far as level of additional safety, I tend to look at it in percentages. RSR may provide a certain percentage above stock, RPM may provide double the percentage of RSR. Custom weld in cage is going to provide the highest percentage of safety but we are not talking 0 to 100 here. Stock the car is a tank. I have seen one roll, no roll bar, both driver and passenger walked away without issue. We are talking about adding 5 to 10 percent for bolt in IMO and maybe 15-20 for full weld in cage. Once again, just my opinion/ way of looking at the issue. Same can be said about 3 point/ 4 point/ 5 point/ and 6 point harnesses, race seats, and airbags. At the end of the day, experience, and using your head while driving will keep you safer than any harness or roll bar assuming no mechanical failure or your car or the car in front of you.
Side note: When RSR tells you 6 weeks, don't expect it in 6 weeks.

Thank you for the info and heads up on install. I will call RPM first

s.hammer · 05-21-2020, 08:42 PM

You may also want to check with local track managers to see if they know of any local shops in your area. If the tracks you run at have regular races, it is almost a given that there will be local fabricators. The designs of the roll bars for the Camaro are not terribly difficult to copy.

05-20-2020, 04:07 PM	#1
TMR Drives: Huracan, ACR Viper, ZL1 1LE, GT3 ++ Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: MN/FL Posts: 36	In Stock roll bar for ZL1?? Does anyone know if any manufactures carry their Roll bar in stock for the ZL1 1LE? I do not want to wait 6 weeks. Need harnesses and more safety. Many track events in the next few weeks. Also need the same thing for a 2019 ZR1 thank you for any help

05-20-2020, 05:18 PM	#2
seanblurr Drives: ZL1 1LE Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: California Posts: 1,299	IMO, I wouldn't trust your life on any of the currently available bolt-in varieties in a true vehicle rollover. If you aren't comfortable with a harness bar and want to use a 6 point harness, a bolt-in bar could be an option to provide a bit more security over just a harness bar and harness. But understand the limitations and potential hazards of a bolt-in rollbar. FYI, I have a Studio RSR bar in my car now. It's a quality piece, but I wouldn't buy it again. It seems more of a show item than anything. I've considered having it welded in because I don't trust the mounting bolts in the slightest. __________________

05-20-2020, 06:21 PM	#4
seanblurr Drives: ZL1 1LE Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: California Posts: 1,299	A roll bar can't really be "NASA certified". NASA isn't a certifying body such as DOT, SNELL etc. that inspects and certifies certain safety equipment. So for Studio RSR to say that is somewhat misleading. Does the main hoop design follow NASA/SCCA rule book/tech inspection guidelines? Yes. Would it pass a NASA or SCCA annual logbook tech inspection? No. No, because the only time you need an annual tech inspection is for a car that is raced wheel to wheel, and you need much more than a 4-point bolt-in roll bar. So to say a bolt-in roll-bar is NASA certified is almost an oxymoron of sorts. Because a bolt-in roll-bar would never need to pass a tech inspection by any of the governing bodies. Nor, if we are playing a "what-if" scenario, do I believe the bar would even pass such an inspection. Based off how and where it mounts in the car, and the inability to use adequate backing plates. __________________

05-20-2020, 08:29 PM	#5
s.hammer Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 246	I would recommend RPM over RSR as far as safety, but not sure if they have any in stock. Also be warned, it is not the easiest install. As far as level of additional safety, I tend to look at it in percentages. RSR may provide a certain percentage above stock, RPM may provide double the percentage of RSR. Custom weld in cage is going to provide the highest percentage of safety but we are not talking 0 to 100 here. Stock the car is a tank. I have seen one roll, no roll bar, both driver and passenger walked away without issue. We are talking about adding 5 to 10 percent for bolt in IMO and maybe 15-20 for full weld in cage. Once again, just my opinion/ way of looking at the issue. Same can be said about 3 point/ 4 point/ 5 point/ and 6 point harnesses, race seats, and airbags. At the end of the day, experience, and using your head while driving will keep you safer than any harness or roll bar assuming no mechanical failure or your car or the car in front of you. Side note: When RSR tells you 6 weeks, don't expect it in 6 weeks.

05-20-2020, 09:46 PM	#6
breakskeet Kevin Drives: 2018 Callaway Camaro ZL1 1LE Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Rattlesnake, FL Posts: 321	I have an RPM roll bar. It is all one piece and well bolted in with backing plates. Yes it is not welded in but it is quite substantial. The install, being one piece, is not a one person job and will take patience getting it in. I paid a friend of mine to do it and he severely underbid the job. I was happy to increase the payment once I saw the difficulty and I am extremely happy with the fit and finish of the bar. If you are concerned about you safety but you don't want to wait 6 weeks then you have a decision to make. Call RPM rollbars or another company and see how much it will cost for a rush order. I ran many track events in solo (yellow) group and a few in intermediate group (blue) with stock seats, belts, no hybrid device and no roll bar. Shortly after graduating into the intermediate group is when I really realized that I needed safety equipment due to the speeds I was beginning to carry. A that point I began to buy the necessary items: RPM roll bar, Schroth 6 point restraints, Sabelt seats. Sparco bases and seat mounts and Hans device. I continued to run in the intermediate group working on technique and building skill and experience getting ready for advanced group (red) until I had every thing ready to instal. The next track weekend after every thing was installed I took one day to get used to all the new equipment and feel of being harnessed in. The second day I took my drivers test and promoted to advanced group. The first thing I realized once I started tracking with all the safety equipment was that I had no idea how much I was bracing myself during the course of a lap. Pushing on the dead pedal. Using a knee or and elbow here and there. With the seats and the harness I became one with the car. I could feel so much more and drive so much more relaxed.

05-21-2020, 08:42 PM	#9
s.hammer Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 246	You may also want to check with local track managers to see if they know of any local shops in your area. If the tracks you run at have regular races, it is almost a given that there will be local fabricators. The designs of the roll bars for the Camaro are not terribly difficult to copy.

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