2020 GT500 Versus ZL1 Versus C8 Versus Hellcat - Page 520

BlaqWhole · 05-05-2020, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Have you?

He thinks he's a MX rider. I doubt he even owns a Camaro at this point. He needs to find something to do with his life instead of following others around.

BlaqWhole · 05-05-2020, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

Man this place had quite the activity over the weekend haha.

We got trolled again. One is a continuous troll and the other was new. Well he was here before and got kicked out.

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Originally Posted by shaffe

Congrats on the bike Blaq

Thanks man. Been my dream bike since 2001. I never thought I would actually get one!! Going out for another ride in a few!!

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Originally Posted by shaffe

Glad to see the clutter of getting people to race is out of here.

Carry on

He had no intentions of racing anyone. It was all for show. He is trying to make a name for himself like SM and SP. I guess that's the popular thing to do now. And he wanted to brag about his father's highly modded 900+ RWHP GT500 that can beat stock Corvettes.

oldman · 05-05-2020, 07:04 PM

Has this been posted?
https://mustangforums.com/articles/r...ns-cost-20000/

Would the GT500 been better off released one or two years earlier with an A10, and say 12K cheaper (not like MSRP means anything here)?

I lost the link to an article that stated twin turbos were not used because of DCT issues, does anybody remember or have that article?

BlaqWhole · 05-05-2020, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

Has this been posted?
https://mustangforums.com/articles/r...ns-cost-20000/

Would the GT500 been better off released one or two years earlier with an A10, and say 12K cheaper (not like MSRP means anything here)?

I lost the link to an article that stated twin turbos were not used because of DCT issues, does anybody remember or have that article?

I for one think Ford had no reason to go with a 7sp DCT other than to make the car more expensive for no reason. The A10 has proven to be a remarkable trans and relatively cheap compared to the DCT. And it is very durable as a lot of people out there are well over 1000 RWHP on the stock trans. It shifts superfast and with 10 different speeds there is never a dead spot. It finds the right gear every time. At least, that is how good it is in the Camaro. Maybe Ford couldn't get it right and had to stick with 7 speeds. Maybe they built it too cheap and weak and it couldn't handle the power. Whatever. But I think that trans was not worth the wait or the price or the complications it will surely have in the future.

oldman · 05-05-2020, 07:44 PM

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/s...p-140586.html#

I hate articles like this. Hennessy applies STD correction factor to their dyno, in addition FI can't and does not need a CF. So we always get the "mfg is conservative".... wrong, STD is unicorn horsepower, couple closely to only NA cars should be corrected and that correction factor should be very small preferable 3 percent or less and NEVER more than 7%. The GT500 probably made an actual 680 HP to the rollers (from the location of Hennessy, and time of year).

NW-99SS · 05-06-2020, 09:06 AM

I ignore all things that include "Hennessey" - enough history there to know that's not a good company.

TheRealJA105 · 05-06-2020, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

Have you?

I love when i get that answer. You people just can't say no when you get called out can you?
I don't want to get into it with you too, but you really can't be as incompetent as he is can you?

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

He thinks he's a MX rider. I doubt he even owns a Camaro at this point. He needs to find something to do with his life instead of following others around.

Actually i am a MX rider. I ride that bike on tracks too

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I for one think Ford had no reason to go with a 7sp DCT other than to make the car more expensive for no reason. The A10 has proven to be a remarkable trans and relatively cheap compared to the DCT. And it is very durable as a lot of people out there are well over 1000 RWHP on the stock trans. It shifts superfast and with 10 different speeds there is never a dead spot. It finds the right gear every time. At least, that is how good it is in the Camaro. Maybe Ford couldn't get it right and had to stick with 7 speeds. Maybe they built it too cheap and weak and it couldn't handle the power. Whatever. But I think that trans was not worth the wait or the price or the complications it will surely have in the future.

Agreed, also already been discussed. Maybe hotlap can link us to it?

oldman · 05-06-2020, 09:16 AM

7257 replies, I probably forgot about it, I'm old ya know.

TheRealJA105 · 05-06-2020, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

7257 replies, I probably forgot about it, I'm old ya know.

Haha, that wasn't a stab at you. But if Ford would have done that, it wouldn't be as "special" or "hyped up". I think they just couldn't get the car to perform to what they had promised from their marketing "hype team", so they had to keep delaying while trying to improve it.

BlaqWhole · 05-06-2020, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I ignore all things that include "Hennessey" - enough history there to know that's not a good company.

Haha!! Too many hangovers??

NW-99SS · 05-06-2020, 09:59 AM

I haven't been to a road course yet. I've been fixing little issues with my GS every spring/summer to get it to the point where I'm confident enough to trailer it 3hrs to the nearest road course, having already spent $500 for a spot, and hope the weather cooperates (I have dry weather road course tires). Fingers crossed, this is the year if the track is allowed to open to participants only.

I have raced 1/4 and 1/8 mile tracks (3 cars, 1 bike - 3 tracks and visited around a dozen over the years for various events including being a pit crew for a 1300hp 7.9x @ 17x mph car).

Also spent time on MX tracks, but on my racing quad as I never owned a dirt bike - we always had quads growing up.

Not that I was asked, but just wanted to share experience here.

NW-99SS · 05-06-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Haha!! Too many hangovers??

I wish

No, they are a sh!t company...that is all.

ST1LE · 05-06-2020, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I wish

No, they are a sh!t company...that is all.

I can't believe they are allowed to remain open. Shit Company is putting it nicely.

oldman · 05-06-2020, 11:27 AM

I fully admit that my M6 is "slow", I knew this would be the last manual in my life. I also knew the C8 would be an auto (I know it is a DCT). I would have not ordered a manual even if available. I find great pleasure in a manual and I intend to drive only a manual for pleasure. If I buy a C8 it will be a DD. I don't understand all the hype about a DCT..... it is an auto (trans shifts by itself), no amount of paddle shifters and goo gads will make it into a manual. I just find it mildly annoying when I'm told it is not an auto it is a DCT... um right it is an auto... but I can manual shift my auto with these paddles... um still an auto..

Nutshell a lot of time money and expense was put into this and for what it is, I guess it is OK. It just does not get my blood excited. I was excited about the GT 350, it just seemed more put together, more desirable, more blood pumping, flat plane, high RPM and yes a real M6.

Once the technology has turned and autos will dominate hence forth, I can't really get excited about the actual mechanics that underpin the auto. I don't care if it a DCT, CVT, a ruberband and some tin cans. It is kind of like the new hemi does not have a hemi head... LOL

05-05-2020, 07:04 PM	#7269
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,340	Has this been posted? https://mustangforums.com/articles/r...ns-cost-20000/ Would the GT500 been better off released one or two years earlier with an A10, and say 12K cheaper (not like MSRP means anything here)? I lost the link to an article that stated twin turbos were not used because of DCT issues, does anybody remember or have that article? __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

05-05-2020, 07:44 PM	#7271
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,340	https://www.autoevolution.com/news/s...p-140586.html# I hate articles like this. Hennessy applies STD correction factor to their dyno, in addition FI can't and does not need a CF. So we always get the "mfg is conservative".... wrong, STD is unicorn horsepower, couple closely to only NA cars should be corrected and that correction factor should be very small preferable 3 percent or less and NEVER more than 7%. The GT500 probably made an actual 680 HP to the rollers (from the location of Hennessy, and time of year). __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

05-06-2020, 09:06 AM	#7272
NW-99SS Drives: 1999 Camaro SS M6 - SBE LS1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 1,174	I ignore all things that include "Hennessey" - enough history there to know that's not a good company. __________________ 1999 Camaro SS 6M - SBE LS1 1994 Camaro Z28 6M - Golen 383 HT 1963 Corvette GrandSport - ZZ502 4M 2017 Denali 1500 6.2 2017 Yukon Denali 6.2

05-06-2020, 09:16 AM	#7274
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,340	7257 replies, I probably forgot about it, I'm old ya know. __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

05-06-2020, 09:59 AM	#7277
NW-99SS Drives: 1999 Camaro SS M6 - SBE LS1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Canuckistan Posts: 1,174	I haven't been to a road course yet. I've been fixing little issues with my GS every spring/summer to get it to the point where I'm confident enough to trailer it 3hrs to the nearest road course, having already spent $500 for a spot, and hope the weather cooperates (I have dry weather road course tires). Fingers crossed, this is the year if the track is allowed to open to participants only. I have raced 1/4 and 1/8 mile tracks (3 cars, 1 bike - 3 tracks and visited around a dozen over the years for various events including being a pit crew for a 1300hp 7.9x @ 17x mph car). Also spent time on MX tracks, but on my racing quad as I never owned a dirt bike - we always had quads growing up. Not that I was asked, but just wanted to share experience here. __________________ 1999 Camaro SS 6M - SBE LS1 1994 Camaro Z28 6M - Golen 383 HT 1963 Corvette GrandSport - ZZ502 4M 2017 Denali 1500 6.2 2017 Yukon Denali 6.2

05-06-2020, 11:27 AM	#7280
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,340	I fully admit that my M6 is "slow", I knew this would be the last manual in my life. I also knew the C8 would be an auto (I know it is a DCT). I would have not ordered a manual even if available. I find great pleasure in a manual and I intend to drive only a manual for pleasure. If I buy a C8 it will be a DD. I don't understand all the hype about a DCT..... it is an auto (trans shifts by itself), no amount of paddle shifters and goo gads will make it into a manual. I just find it mildly annoying when I'm told it is not an auto it is a DCT... um right it is an auto... but I can manual shift my auto with these paddles... um still an auto.. Nutshell a lot of time money and expense was put into this and for what it is, I guess it is OK. It just does not get my blood excited. I was excited about the GT 350, it just seemed more put together, more desirable, more blood pumping, flat plane, high RPM and yes a real M6. Once the technology has turned and autos will dominate hence forth, I can't really get excited about the actual mechanics that underpin the auto. I don't care if it a DCT, CVT, a ruberband and some tin cans. It is kind of like the new hemi does not have a hemi head... LOL __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

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