[Spartan268]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

Why are you saying KW aren't good for track use?

Largely since it's a twin tube design instead of a monotube. In general twin tube designs are easier to manufacturer therefore are supposed to be cheaper to purchase. The issue is KW's charging a pretty penny for something that's twin tube.

Also on top of that a monotube design is better suited for the track and a twin tube is better for street use. Although most folks don't really look this far into a coilover unless if they're actually preparing to track their cars. In my old car club people use to purchase coilovers for the purpose of stancing their cars out and never seen a track in their life.

https://www.tein.co.jp/e/special/ni_toryu/ - Does a really good job explaining it

[NeverDie]

Weird then that they hold so many records in TT and club racing with teh S2000, and then there is this:

http://blog-int.kwautomotive.net/kw-...he-918-spyder/

Plus ALLLLLL of the GT3 cars running KW suspension. They have a huge racing program and tons of cars on the track every week.

Or most of these guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verans...al_Nürburgring

I also understand how a coilover manufacturer would say the technology they chose is better than the one they didn't....

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by Spartan268

URL]https://www.tein.co.jp/e/special/ni_toryu/[/URL] - Does a really good job explaining it

That is a good read. I would disagree with one point they make: that a monotube has a stiffer ride because it requires a pressurized gas charge. It's true that they more or less require a gas pressure charge.* What that definitely does do is add ride height. The amount of additional height just depends on the pressure of the charge and surface area of the piston it acts on. This ride height increase is generally bad for grip and handling. But in a coilover setup, the gas pressure spring effect is in series with the coil spring. Basic suspension theory tells us that springs in series have a total rate that is lower than either spring on its own. So in a coilover setup, the gas spring effect actually reduces total spring rate. OTOH, in a non-coilover setup - like the stock rear suspension of a Camaro - the gas spring effect of the shock and the coil spring are in parallel, so the rates are additive. In that case, the spring rate is increased by the amount of rate added by the shock.

*People have used "degassed" shocks to avoid the ride height increase when rules prevent other means of adjusting ride height. But they aerate the fluid quickly, so are only useful for autocross laps at best.

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

Weird then that they hold so many records in TT and club racing with teh S2000, and then there is this:

http://blog-int.kwautomotive.net/kw-...he-918-spyder/

Plus ALLLLLL of the GT3 cars running KW suspension. They have a huge racing program and tons of cars on the track every week.

Or most of these guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verans...al_Nürburgring

I also understand how a coilover manufacturer would say the technology they chose is better than the one they didn't....

Can't tell for sure because their site isn't very informative, but I don't think the three-way-adjustable, remote reservoir track dampers those teams are using are twin-tube designs. But unfortunately, those aren't shown as available for our cars.

[kropscamaro16]

kw just like many other brands only offers certain options for our cars the only one they show v2/v3 isnt a a track focused option like the clubsports or the higher options

[NeverDie]

Originally Posted by Msquared

Can't tell for sure because their site isn't very informative, but I don't think the three-way-adjustable, remote reservoir track dampers those teams are using are twin-tube designs. But unfortunately, those aren't shown as available for our cars.

The biggest difference between a V3 and a clubsport is the resivoir. CS are still twin tube.

So, yeah of course TIEN says thier tech is the best. KW says thiers is best. Who has more wins? KW.

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

The biggest difference between a V3 and a clubsport is the resivoir. CS are still twin tube.

So, yeah of course TIEN says thier tech is the best. KW says thiers is best. Who has more wins? KW.

I don't know much about Tien - I always thought they were eBay shocks, and never really bothered to look closely at them. But I can guarantee you that if you're looking for which architecture has the most wins in higher-level auto racing, it's not even close: monotube is the hands-down winner. There's obviously more than just twin-tube vs monotube in determining what makes a good race damper, but there is little question that if all else is equal then monotubes are the better choice.

[kropscamaro16]

tein makes quality jdm parts but nothing for our cars lol

[Mike Aruba]

My buddy and I are running Silvers on our cars. Neither of us have any complaints. Quality is great and the ride is phenomenal for what they are. I've run BC's on two of my previous cars as well (Neon SRT-4 and NA Miata), and they were also very good. My only reason for not going with the BC's on the Camaro is driving my buddies car before ordering my coils. Not saying the Silvers are superior, but I like how his car rides and wanted to play it safe.

[NeverDie]

Originally Posted by Msquared

I don't know much about Tien - I always thought they were eBay shocks, and never really bothered to look closely at them. But I can guarantee you that if you're looking for which architecture has the most wins in higher-level auto racing, it's not even close: monotube is the hands-down winner. There's obviously more than just twin-tube vs monotube in determining what makes a good race damper, but there is little question that if all else is equal then monotubes are the better choice.

I was just here to point out the fallacy that one is definitively better than the other for every condition, always. KW wins tons of races, people are saying they aren't a good choice for the track... that's a very stupid statement. Then the TIEN comparison was made, and we were fully off the rails because they are like a step above Godspeed and Megan Racing... at any rate, my point is and always was that the blanket statement (and, indeed, most ANY blanket statement) that KW weren't good on the track was about as daft as licking a live power wire.

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by NeverDie

I was just here to point out the fallacy that one is definitively better than the other for every condition, always. KW wins tons of races, people are saying they aren't a good choice for the track... that's a very stupid statement. Then the TIEN comparison was made, and we were fully off the rails because they are like a step above Godspeed and Megan Racing... at any rate, my point is and always was that the blanket statement (and, indeed, most ANY blanket statement) that KW weren't good on the track was about as daft as licking a live power wire.

kw v2 is not a track coilovers its just for the stance bois just like megan and silvers and godspeed just nicer

[Butler7508]

Originally Posted by JC2SS

I was looking hard on forums too about coilovers. I decided to go with Bilstein coilovers. The shop I went to recommend those over BC coilovers. I’m getting them installed tomorrow. So I guess I will bring back my experience with them later on.

did you get the Bilstein's installed? if so, can you share your opinion on the ride qualify?

[kropscamaro16]

my buddy has them on his ss only had them on for about 3 months said the ride was too rough so took them off

[zxspeedspec]

How would the DSSV on the ZLEs compare to the aftermarket coilovers?