[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by Gary H

So what causes the drag and effect on top speed? Is the dive planes or is it the rear wing?

Everything, even the cross sectional area of the cars - the larger, the more drag, but between the two, the wing and dive planes. The wing would be the biggest contributor I would think.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Gary H

So what causes the drag and effect on top speed? Is the dive planes or is it the rear wing?

The road-racing aero bits are likely part of the extra drag I'd agree. But also adding to the increase in drag over the normal ZL1 are the 305 front/325 rear tires (instead of 285f/305r).

As far as the 190 theoretical top speed that has been mentioned, I doubt it. There was a speed test running for 2.7 miles, and the ZLE only reached 178 and change. That was a measured speed, don't know what the speedometer was reading.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by The Manalishi

No. I roll raced a auto ZL1 at Ennis at a club day. I won 2 out of 3 with my manual ZLE. We crossed the start line at 30 mph and were well over 130/ 140 at the end.

Originally Posted by The Manalishi

A ZL1 is going to MPH the shit out of a ZLE on a long straight, the ZLE just gets to brake later and has more grip. Auto or manual doesn't matter. The Auto ZL1 will still hit higher MPH than an auto ZLE. The cars have two different purposes. The ZL1 is arguably the best all around car money can buy. The ZLE is arguably one of the best track cars ever made. We all win, both cars are nuts compared to anything at their price point, past or present.

Originally Posted by The Manalishi

With a good driver 1/2 mile or less would be fun from a roll. From a dig 1/4 mile a ZLE would be eaten alive by a ZL1.1/2 mile would depend on driver. IMO

Originally Posted by The Manalishi

The ZLE doesn't do races from a dig well. The tires and suspension are not set up for the 1/4 mile. A ZL1 is car better suited for drag racing than the ZLE. I own a ZLE it isn't a drag car by any stretch of the imagination. You will burn up the clutch before you ever best a ZL1 from a dig. Or you will plant your ZLE into the wall of the track because you didn't lift when the road course tires gave up and said **** you.

You 100% understand the cars, but no way does a ZLE manual beat a ZL1 auto at any roll race. You beat the driver and the tires. He probably had it in auto and punched it, so you instantly got the jump while his car downshifted 6 gears then lit the tires up and spun from 30mph giving you your 3 car advantage.
Also if the 3Rs are at proper temp the ZLE can have an advantage from a dig on tires alone.

Originally Posted by SlikZL1

Power vs power.. At no rolling speed does the manual ever benefit over the 10spd.

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Originally Posted by wnta1ss

The road-racing aero bits are likely part of the extra drag I'd agree. But also adding to the increase in drag over the normal ZL1 are the 305 front/325 rear tires (instead of 285f/305r).
As far as the 190 theoretical top speed that has been mentioned, I doubt it. There was a speed test running for 2.7 miles, and the ZLE only reached 178 and change. That was a measured speed, don't know what the speedometer was reading.

Isn't that 190 speed for the A10 ZLE not the M6?

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Isn't that 190 speed for the A10 ZLE not the M6?

I think that number might have been mentioned before the A10 was an option on the 1LE package? Meaning it had been for M6? That said, the M6 ZLE does have a superior 6th gear ratio (as far as performance is concerned) compared to the normal ZL1. So I am thinking that with a ZLE, the M6 version would not suffer the same large loss in top speed compared to the A10, that the normal ZL1 suffers.

[Bow Tie Fanatic]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

I think that number might have been mentioned before the A10 was an option on the 1LE package? Meaning it had been for M6? That said, the M6 ZLE does have a superior 6th gear ratio (as far as performance is concerned) compared to the normal ZL1. So I am thinking that with a ZLE, the M6 version would not suffer the same large loss in top speed compared to the A10, that the normal ZL1 suffers.

I think it was the A10. I just wish the ZLE had another 100 hp to overcome some of that drag in a straight line (who doesn’t right?) I get it that all of that drag makes it an awesome track car and there are trade offs and for $70K you can’t do better.

[CW3SF]

This thread is great lol. Where the Camaro ZL1 is concerned you can choose the one that is faster on the track but is slower in a straight line or you can choose the one that is faster in a straight line and slower on the track. You can’t get both in OEM form.

It’s hilarious to me how many 1LE owners want to convince the rest of us that they will still win a roll race. Let a regular ZL1 owner try to convince you that their car will kill your 1LE on the track. The argument is equally as ludicrous. Downforce is real. It clearly puts you in front on the track and it will clearly put you in the rear at high speed.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

The road-racing aero bits are likely part of the extra drag I'd agree. But also adding to the increase in drag over the normal ZL1 are the 305 front/325 rear tires (instead of 285f/305r).

As far as the 190 theoretical top speed that has been mentioned, I doubt it. There was a speed test running for 2.7 miles, and the ZLE only reached 178 and change. That was a measured speed, don't know what the speedometer was reading.

Speedo said 178 as well. 2019 ZL1 1LE M6

https://youtu.be/Zmcw18Iz9Jg

[The Manalishi]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

You 100% understand the cars, but no way does a ZLE manual beat a ZL1 auto at any roll race. You beat the driver and the tires. He probably had it in auto and punched it, so you instantly got the jump while his car downshifted 6 gears then lit the tires up and spun from 30mph giving you your 3 car advantage.
Also if the 3Rs are at proper temp the ZLE can have an advantage from a dig on tires alone.


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Isn't that 190 speed for the A10 ZLE not the M6?

OK. I can tell you this has happened a few times. Each were in manual mode. But I am not interested in arguing with you. You believe what you want, I will know what I know. I am sure I am beating the driver, but it isn't based on anything more than a ZL1 in manual mode at 30 mph wants to shift to second because its damn near redlined so they have to stab gas and shift almost at the same moment. I still have a ways to go from 30 before I have to shift to 2nd. In auto mode of course it's going to downshift and blow the tires off.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

Speedo said 178 as well. 2019 ZL1 1LE M6

https://youtu.be/Zmcw18Iz9Jg

Yes that is the same video that I was referencing. The factory speedometer is not visible, and it's not the Chevy PDR either. So I don't know for sure where that software that he used to make the video is getting it's numbers from. Place looks like a lot of fun, but I hear that it's really expensive to get a slot to run there.

[2018$S1le]

Just a thought to throw a wrench in the debate: wouldn’t a true apples to apples comparison consist of a ZL1 and a ZLE with the SAME m6 tranny? Considering they are different gear ratios would certainly be a factor. The ZLE May hold a slight lead due to the closer track oriented gearing but then lose once speeds are reached where aero becomes a limiting factor. Food for thought

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by 2018$S1le

Just a thought to throw a wrench in the debate: wouldn’t a true apples to apples comparison consist of a ZL1 and a ZLE with the SAME m6 tranny? Considering they are different gear ratios would certainly be a factor. The ZLE May hold a slight lead due to the closer track oriented gearing but then lose once speeds are reached where aero becomes a limiting factor. Food for thought

Very much agreed. ZL1 A10 vs ZLE A10 would be even better since you could eliminate more driver factor.

[2018$S1le]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Very much agreed. ZL1 A10 vs ZLE A10 would be even better since you could eliminate more driver factor.

Yes! Then it's limited to driver input and aero.

[CW3SF]

Agreed. Take the variables out and impact of the aero would show.

[CruisintheCountryLife]

Obviously the ZLE is slower on top end, but I'll sacrifice 20 MPH on top end for the aero package. To each his own though...
The ZL1 is probably ONE of the fastest cars for the money but I'd say the ZLE is probably THE fastest car around a track for the money!