[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Oh well...moving on...

If the C8 Z06 is available for 2022, is there anything non-Supercar that will beat it? And the ZR1, how will it stack up against the likes of the Aventador? I do not think GM will be looking to bother with Ford any longer. So what will be the competition? What are they going to benchmark?

I am hopeful the C8Z laps with the GT2RS. Not much will run with that.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Oh well...moving on...

If the C8 Z06 is available for 2022, is there anything non-Supercar that will beat it? And the ZR1, how will it stack up against the likes of the Aventador? I do not think GM will be looking to bother with Ford any longer. So what will be the competition? What are they going to benchmark?

Dodge needs to make a rear midengined viper and Ford needs to make a "GT3", both priced to compete with the C8 variants.

[GuywithL86]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I am hopeful the C8Z laps with the GT2RS. Not much will run with that.

The c6 and the c7 z06 were pretty much the fastest lapping cars under $500k when they debuted. I doubt the z06 will have an issue with the gt2rs.

The vettes have also been limited by being FR. If you look at of strictly of FR, nothing comes close, except maybe the amg gtr. Now that they are not limited by the chassis, going to be hilariously fast cars coming once they pull out the stops.

[GuywithL86]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Oh well...moving on...

If the C8 Z06 is available for 2022, is there anything non-Supercar that will beat it? And the ZR1, how will it stack up against the likes of the Aventador? I do not think GM will be looking to bother with Ford any longer. So what will be the competition? What are they going to benchmark?

I dont believe any supercars were lapping faster when the c6z and the c7z were released. Maybe hypercars.

The only cars faster than the c7z when it was released were the 918 spyder, the mclaren p1, and the la ferrari.

[BlaqWhole]

Has there been any comparisons with any of these cars against the GTR yet?

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I am hopeful the C8Z laps with the GT2RS. Not much will run with that.

I would like to see that as well.

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Dodge needs to make a rear midengined viper and Ford needs to make a "GT3", both priced to compete with the C8 variants.

I couldn't care less about what Ford does. But yea a new Viper would be cool. It can't be NA tho. Those days are over.

Originally Posted by GuywithL86

The c6 and the c7 z06 were pretty much the fastest lapping cars under $500k when they debuted. I doubt the z06 will have an issue with the gt2rs.

The vettes have also been limited by being FR. If you look at of strictly of FR, nothing comes close, except maybe the amg gtr. Now that they are not limited by the chassis, going to be hilariously fast cars coming once they pull out the stops.

I agree after seeing how fast just the 490 HP Stingray version is. It is bottom of the barrel and stock to stock even the GT500 needs special conditions to be faster. That says a lot.

Originally Posted by GuywithL86

I dont believe any supercars were lapping faster when the c6z and the c7z were released. Maybe hypercars.

The only cars faster than the c7z when it was released were the 918 spyder, the mclaren p1, and the la ferrari.

What do you consider to be a "Supercar" and a "Hypercar"? I have just been considering them all to be Supercars at this point.

[BlaqWhole]

LOL, just a thought...one day I'll tell my grandkids about the time some dude challenged a bunch of us to race his modded 2020 GT500 but then never showed back up. I wonder, maybe his engine blew or something. Or maybe he needs more mods and then needs to find a prepped track and replace his worn tires and wait for the best weather conditions

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I do not have a ZLE, I have a standard ZL1. Are we talking top speed runs on a "road course" or a trip to Mexico or what? And is it against your Shelby? And is your Shelby a 2020? Because I might be able to free up some time. What're we talkin here?

Hmmm are you no longer on Covid contract in NY or is this confirming that it's really not that bad at all these hospitals and you have been making TikTok videos with the other nurses?

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL, just a thought...one day I'll tell my grandkids about the time some dude challenged a bunch of us to race his modded 2020 GT500 but then never showed back up. I wonder, maybe his engine blew or something. Or maybe he needs more mods and then needs to find a prepped track and replace his worn tires and wait for the best weather conditions

Dude a stock GT500 will roast you in the kind of racing (roll) you do , but yeah weird flex by that dude to come in here asking then disappear.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by GuywithL86

I dont believe any supercars were lapping faster when the c6z and the c7z were released. Maybe hypercars.

The only cars faster than the c7z when it was released were the 918 spyder, the mclaren p1, and the la ferrari.

Lamborghini Aventador SVJ & Huracan Performante and Porsche GT2RS & GT3RS, and the last year of production of Viper ACR.

[whiteboyblues2001]

So it looks like SP put his new C8 on Cup2 tires, and returned to Willow Springs.



Spoiler: At the end he said that the tires gave him a 1.5 to 2 second improvement than the stock PS4's...

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Lamborghini Aventador SVJ & Huracan Performante and Porsche GT2RS & GT3RS, and the last year of production of Viper ACR.

Except those cars weren't out when the c6z or c7z came out, infact those were all relatively new records. Though the gen 4 Viper acr was also faster than the c6z.

That's without mentioning all the fibbing that the european automakers with a lot of access to the ring probably try to pull. Aren't those porsches on psc2r's also?

The viper was definately very legit, 2016 car and the team that ran that 7:01 wasn't even backed by Dodge and didn't have the best of luck there. Not to mention on a lot of other tracks the viper still beats or matches a lot of those cars with much faster times at the ring. I would love a Viper comeback instead of these ACR Challeneger rumors we keep hearing.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

He gone.

I thought a run with the fastest boost only stock blower zl1 would have been good since they're both mid 9 second cars and the zl1 dude posts on here. Then they couldn't complain too much about the camaro having "more mods".

The zl1 guy is in FL so it would have probably been tough to line up regardless though.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Actually, it would be simpler for me to "show you my work" as they say in high school. I often use an online HP calculator and then based on what I know and what I assume, I plug and crank. These are my actual workups for LT6 and LT7 with some annotation. I'll fine tune them as I learn more details. For example, I assumed the engine square and backed into a 5.5L displacement. If it comes in under square or over square I'll have to tweak the bore and stroke to get the same displacement and see where that sends my hp estimates.

From many decades of building and racing street going Honda engines, 25 m /s is the max piston speed a street engine can live with. After this point lube breakdown on the cylinder walls cause all kinds of quick wear. That is 7450 rpm on a LS7's 4.0 bore. 7900 rpm on the 3.75 stroke 4V engine, 8100 rpm for a 5.2 FP's 3.66 stoke. I don't have much experience with spray bore (tungsten, or nikasil walls) so maybe there is a little more give.

What I do have is experience in is big dollar coatings, piston design, and street usage on after 25 m/s. Things start getting REALLY dicey. My last Honda B18C Type R sleeved at 2.0 liters made 275 engine HP at 8800 RPM, shift at 9500 RPM (peaky engine). My current engine is a 2.16 bore / stroker, projected HP is still at 8800 RPM shift at 9000 due to stroke.... 290+ HP. Now the K engine mainly stock can easily do 290 HP on 2.4 liter 101mm stroke (about 330 HP with work, street engine). K24 in racing engines NA are getting close to 500 HP at 10,000 RPM, with mostly stock stuff: head, block, crank etc. So double the HP for a V8 and you can get an idea of where Honda guys have taken the engine. Too bad there is NO good direct inject Honda head. I may jump ship and do a VANOS BMW / Mini 2.0 which is more VTEC that any current Honda. For some reason

I'm just not very interested in V8 with DOHC. Only 4 and inline 6s. I figure if you have a V8 you don't need the complication of DOHC 4v. Cam in Cam technology can give the LT1 about 8% more HP with little added complication, as the car already has a cam phaser.


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[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Except those cars weren't out when the c6z or c7z came out, infact those were all relatively new records. Though the gen 4 Viper acr was also faster than the c6z.

That's without mentioning all the fibbing that the european automakers with a lot of access to the ring probably try to pull. Aren't those porsches on psc2r's also?

The viper was definately very legit, 2016 car and the team that ran that 7:01 wasn't even backed by Dodge and didn't have the best of luck there. Not to mention on a lot of other tracks the viper still beats or matches a lot of those cars with much faster times at the ring. I would love a Viper comeback instead of these ACR Challeneger rumors we keep hearing.

I'd love to see the return of the Viper. But they gotta make it more accessible. Instead of making it soo expensive that the cheapest one is $120K, they need to tone it down a bit and make a street/budget friendly version kinda like the Stingray/Z51 variants and price it around $70K MSRP. Give that one the NA engine but still offer decent options with the chance to upgrade/add options. Then make Z06/ZR1 comparable variants. I do not think the Challenger should have anything to do with any of this. They already have a winning formula with the Chally and Charger along with a very strong and dedicated fan base. Why fcuk with that? They need to leave those cars out of it.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I thought a run with the fastest boost only stock blower zl1 would have been good since they're both mid 9 second cars and the zl1 dude posts on here. Then they couldn't complain too much about the camaro having "more mods".

The zl1 guy is in FL so it would have probably been tough to line up regardless though.

I do not think he had any legit intentions of following thru. They literally have a bunch of ZL1 guys over there who claim to race on and off tracks. One of them was trolling on here for a while. And another troll that used to follow me around over here has a supercharged SS and claims a bunch of shit. So there were plenty of options if he truly wanted to showcase his car against others or whatever. Hell I'd have enjoyed seeing him come out to Houston to run with you or for you to have come up here. Oh well. But there is hope. With this virus being what it is I have seen a lot of dealerships dropping their ADMs on the 20 GT500 and are selling at MSRP. There might even be room to negotiate a price too, lol!! I'm looking to add to my collection and a GT500 is not out of the question now especially if I can get it discounted. If I get my hands on one...then who knows!!

[oldman]

The Viper went to cam in cam tech and got a new lease on life. It would be cheap for GM to do this. 540 HP for say $400 cost OEM, $1000 to the customer. Ford went crazy expensive with their GT40 => GT deal and now NOBODY is talking about that car. The car has to be affordable to really make an impact. I'm Joe normal, I can't care less about the latest $300K to 1.2 million whatever. I have absolutely no interest in them. I'm interested in a 60K to 75K mid-engine car, kind of like my dream of owning a Dino or Pantera come true albeit with WAY more HP and performace.