[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Not a lot of power being use approaching and through the Apex by the sound in the video - has more to do with the front heavy chassis constantly giving up front tire grip - AND, if I have to be honest, appears to be pushing a lot closer to the edge than the C8.

Either way, good comparison of two base cars that are mostly apples to oranges.

That's what I saw as well. You put that huge motor over the front wheels, and they are going to push. And when you get at the limit and a bit beyond, it will be a bit more sudden than a mid-engine design with a much lighter front end. The GT500 seemed to have more understeer, but again, he may have been pushing the GT500 a bit harder.

[BlaqWhole]

C8 order is cancelled. I'm gonna wait and see what happens with this whole virus before I make another huge purchase. If things look right in the next 6 months then I'll be looking to buy something a bit more...faster...than the current C8s, lol!!

Originally Posted by shaffe

A buddy of mine is a project manager for a construction company here outside Chicago and he has been at McCormick place helping set it up into a field hospital. They requisitioned all of his crews masks and stuff. Said the workers wearing masks and protective gears sends a bad message.

That doesn't sound legal at all. I would advise your friend to walk off that site or report it to OSHA. Or, give me the info and I will report it for him.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

C8 order is cancelled. I'm gonna wait and see what happens with this whole virus before I make another huge purchase. If things look right in the next 6 months then I'll be looking to buy something a bit more...faster...than the current C8s, lol!!

I think you’d be wise to wait for the Z06. It will be the sweet spot in the C8 lineup and the performance will be at a different level than anything you’ve experienced.

A proper flat plane crank engine, spinning to 8500 to 9000 rpm, that can run 10.0 sec flat. It will be insane.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I think you’d be wise to wait for the Z06. It will be the sweet spot in the C8 lineup and the performance will be at a different level than anything you’ve experienced.

A proper flat plane crank engine, spinning to 8500 to 9000 rpm, that can run 10.0 sec flat. It will be insane.

Agreed, the Z06 looks like it's going to be incredible. So glad they went with a high rpm NA motor!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I think you’d be wise to wait for the Z06. It will be the sweet spot in the C8 lineup and the performance will be at a different level than anything you’ve experienced.

A proper flat plane crank engine, spinning to 8500 to 9000 rpm, that can run 10.0 sec flat. It will be insane.

The Z06 is going to be insane and the ZR1 more insaner. So it really doesn't make sense to buy a Z51 anyway. So we will see. The next few months will decide what I end up in. I'm gonna get something for sure. I just do not know what yet.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The Z06 is going to be insane and the ZR1 more insaner. So it really doesn't make sense to buy a Z51 anyway. So we will see. The next few months will decide what I end up in. I'm gonna get something for sure. I just do not know what yet.

I think you would best fit with the ZR1 (or whatever they will call the rumored TT version), but unfortunately, that is years away. The base C8 would have been a great in-between for you, so your plan was sound until this virus hit.

The Z06, as amazing as it will be (allegedly), may not be the C8 version best suited to you. You seem to like going to "Mexico", and a big-HP TT setup in the C8 would be an outstanding venue. Modding it (assuming someone will eventually hack the ECU) will be easier with a TT setup, and if the past several releases from Chevy are any indication, this thing will be CRAZY.

The Z06 will be more of a road course car, with a high revving N/A motor (great for track, but not the best for "Mexico"). It will be harder to mod than a TT setup too.

So, your dilemma is to find an "interim" car, or just mod what you have. First world problems for sure, but you only live once.

Car prices are dropping like a rock right now, so if you wait just a bit, you probably could get a good deal on a RedEye (used or new) or something like that, that can entertain you for a while before the ZR1 comes out...

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I think you would best fit with the ZR1 (or whatever they will call the rumored TT version), but unfortunately, that is years away. The base C8 would have been a great in-between for you, so your plan was sound until this virus hit.

The Z06, as amazing as it will be (allegedly), may not be the C8 version best suited to you. You seem to like going to "Mexico", and a big-HP TT setup in the C8 would be an outstanding venue. Modding it (assuming someone will eventually hack the ECU) will be easier with a TT setup, and if the past several releases from Chevy are any indication, this thing will be CRAZY.

The Z06 will be more of a road course car, with a high revving N/A motor (great for track, but not the best for "Mexico"). It will be harder to mod than a TT setup too.

So, your dilemma is to find an "interim" car, or just mod what you have. First world problems for sure, but you only live once.

Car prices are dropping like a rock right now, so if you wait just a bit, you probably could get a good deal on a RedEye (used or new) or something like that, that can entertain you for a while before the ZR1 comes out...

This exactly.

No one is considering that a 5.5l DOHC NA motor is going to share the same issue with torque that the Voodoo has...they are dogs below 4K rpm. Hardly an exciting street car unless you keep it high in the RPMs at all times - like I used to do with my CBR 600RR.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

This exactly.

No one is considering that a 5.5l DOHC NA motor is going to share the same issue with torque that the Voodoo has...they are dogs below 4K rpm. Hardly an exciting street car unless you keep it high in the RPMs at all times - like I used to do with my CBR 600RR.

Agreed, anytime you put peak HP at a high RPM in an N/A setup, you will lose torque down low. The power band ends up being peaky (if that's a word), like a turbo setup with turbo lag. Not the best on the street or for a daily driver, but on a road course, where you keep the RPMs in the power band all the time, it's ideal...

[TheRealJA105]

Uh oh, 2 more for his ignore list. Don't you guys know you aren't allowed to tell him he doesn't track his cars?

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Agreed, anytime you put peak HP at a high RPM in an N/A setup, you will lose torque down low. The power band ends up being peaky (if that's a word), like a turbo setup with turbo lag. Not the best on the street or for a daily driver, but on a road course, where you keep the RPMs in the power band all the time, it's ideal...

Yup - and on the street, high RPMs = a lot of unwanted law enforcement attention

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Uh oh, 2 more for his ignore list. Don't you guys know you aren't allowed to tell him he doesn't track his cars?

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Yup - and on the street, high RPMs = a lot of unwanted law enforcement attention

Agreed, also to me, high RPMs = pain in the a$$ to drive for the street. You always have to drop a couple of gears, and wind the engine up like a two-stroke 125cc motorcycle just to pass a slow truck on the freeway. Not fun. Makes the engine seem weak, even though it has power. Plus I feel like an a$$ making all that fuss just to go 65MPH to get around a truck when everyone else in their Honda Odyssey can pass just the same, but without all the drama.

Sometimes I like making a fuss, but I like to be able to pick and choose when I make a fuss.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Agreed, also to me, high RPMs = pain in the a$$ to drive for the street. You always have to drop a couple of gears, and wind the engine up like a two-stroke 125cc motorcycle just to pass a slow truck on the freeway. Not fun. Makes the engine seem weak, even though it has power. Plus I feel like an a$$ making all that fuss just to go 65MPH to get around a truck when everyone else in their Honda Odyssey can pass just the same, but without all the drama.

Sometimes I like making a fuss, but I like to be able to pick and choose when I make a fuss.

Agreed.

This is why GM stuck with pushrod V8s for so long. Much better power delivery down low with a lot more torque. I'm not sure how many members here remember that GM had 2 prototype C5 Corvettes - one with a fresh LS design, and one with a new DOHC V8 design.

The brass were given both without initial knowledge of which was which. The decision was unanimous after driving each car - and the LS was approved.

[DaveC113]

Tech is there to match the LT1 down low plus make another couple hundred hp at high rpms.

Just 'cause Ford didn't/couldn't do it with the Voodoo...

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Tech is there to match the LT1 down low plus make another couple hundred hp at high rpms.

Just 'cause Ford didn't/couldn't do it with the Voodoo...

That would be nice, but the math just isn't there. If we went to camless design where computers open and close the valves, and variable intake runners, you can add some torque back down low, but when you put the peak HP up high in the RPM range, you have to put torque up there too. Because the simplified equation for power is rpm's x torque at that rpm. So if you have high RPMs and low torque at that RPM, you won't make power. Plus, in an N/A motor, the total amount of torque is directly proportional to the displacement. So, at any given volume, there is only so much torque that can be put somewhere in the RPM range. In other words, the displacement of an N/A motor gives you the total area under the torque curve. Higher RPMs flattens the curve, giving you less PEAK torque. And if you make the torque curve put peak torque up high were you need it to make peak HP, there won't be any left for down low.

That's where camless design and variable intake runner length come in. Those are what you adjust to adjust the torque curve. If they are variable via a computer, you can have your cake and eat it too, so to speak, BUT, you still have to fill the whole torque curve up with at least some area all the way to redline, so the torque curve has to be flattened even still...

So, there has to be a balance.