[Lorne]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

Thanks peeps, I have now joined the blackened flowtie club

Congrats,peep following the sheep.

Someday some poor guy who buys a 19 will spend hrs telling everyone that it actually is,like the 63 vette owners who split from the flock.

I like it,even more after I found out it was (debatable) functional.

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by Lorne

Congrats,peep following the sheep.

Someday some poor guy who buys a 19 will spend hrs telling everyone that it actually is,like the 63 vette owners who split from the flock.

I like it,even more after I found out it was (debatable) functional.

Yeah, but at least we are a fairly small fold. I like the 20's but I am just one of the oddballs that likes the 19's. And I like the flowtie where it is, just not quite as blingy.

[LT4Greg]

I was thinking about buying a new 2019 1SS 1LE when I found and bought my used 2017 ZL1 last March. I still think the 1LE 2019 looks good!��

[Lorne]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

Yeah, but at least we are a fairly small fold. I like the 20's but I am just one of the oddballs that likes the 19's. And I like the flowtie where it is, just not quite as blingy.

Not meant to personally target you,nice look and funny GM didn’t do exactly that from factory.

Let’s not kid ourselves and admit the similarities are just not cool and shame on GM for following the crowd,

However I have a fleet of cars and aside from my 6 General Motors I have a Toyota Tundra and Sienna Van. My late father cut ties after his two Euro Luminas and drove Camrys to his finish line.

I say this to point out how GM has copied other things like the location of the wiper switch that Dad always praised, somewhere he is laughing at me as I plow snow with the Tundra and he was right,I am used to it in my 19 Suburban so seeing it in the Camaro was no surprise.

I apologize for not reading the previous pages and beating a dead horse here,but ever since I have joined I feel like the 19 owners are treated like the red headed step child,maybe we should turn the tables and add special edition emblems.

Kidding here of course,can’t wait to drive mine.

[Lorne]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

I was thinking about buying a new 2019 1SS 1LE when I found and bought my used 2017 ZL1 last March. I still think the 1LE 2019 looks good!��

You sir have a nice car,out of my league on so many levels,ennvious here.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Lorne

I say this to point out how GM has copied other things like the location of the wiper switch that Dad always praised, somewhere he is laughing at me as I plow snow with the Tundra and he was right,I am used to it in my 19 Suburban so seeing it in the Camaro was no surprise.

The wiper switch location HAD to be changed, like many other things in GM's horrible ergonomic execution back to the 1970s.

Toyota and Honda set the standard for interior ergonomics that ALL car manufacturers use now. Not because they wanted to copy them, but because they all figured out that their design was simply the best way to do it.

If GM had kept the "smart stick" they used from 1979-2002 with the cruise and wipers all on the turn signal stalk they'd have continued to lose customers. It was not a "copying" issue at all. The wipers are factually easier and more logically located on their own stalk so the driver can engage the wipers without removing their hand completely from the wheel.

It was actually Mercedes who developed this design back in the 1960s. At the time Mercedes was strictly about the art and science of driving, and everything they did was with the purpose of helping the driver focus on the road at high speed and in inclement conditions. They were the ones who put the wiper stalk on the right side of the steering wheel before anyone else. BMW soon followed, and then Honda and Toyota.

There are aspects of a car that must be standardized across the industry no matter who builds it. Some 1980s Ferraris had the door lock button on top of the rear view mirror

Even Ferraris have a standardized interior now.

[LT4Greg]

Thank you Lorne! The Z came along at the right time and for the right price for a low mileage used ZL1 that I could afford at this stage in my life!��

[Lorne]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

The wiper switch location HAD to be changed,

It was actually Mercedes who developed this design back in the 1960s. At the time Mercedes was strictly about the art and science of driving,

There are aspects of a car that must be standardized across the industry no matter who builds it..

Interesting I was not aware of that

I have a 69 as well,don’t think the switch is there though

I have late model Cadillacs and they aren’t,my 07 Mustang does

Old habits are hard to break though,the rear wiper switch on the Suburbans are on the signal stalk like the cruise button was on my old GM’s,

Dam I always hit it to put cruise on and the dam rear wiper scrapes the dirt,that’s why most are all scratched on SUV’s

[Lorne]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

The wiper switch location HAD to be changed, like many other things in GM's horrible ergonomic execution back to the 1970s.

Toyota and Honda set the standard for interior ergonomics that ALL car manufacturers use now. Not because they wanted to copy them, but because they all figured out that their design was simply the best way to do it.

If GM had kept the "smart stick" they used from 1979-2002 with the cruise and wipers all on the turn signal stalk they'd have continued to lose customers. It was not a "copying" issue at all. .

Ummm where I come from,that would be copying,

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Lorne

Interesting I was not aware of that

I have a 69 as well,don’t think the switch is there though

I have late model Cadillacs and they aren’t,my 07 Mustang does

Old habits are hard to break though,the rear wiper switch on the Suburbans are on the signal stalk like the cruise button was on my old GM’s,

Dam I always hit it to put cruise on and the dam rear wiper scrapes the dirt,that’s why most are all scratched on SUV’s

You're right, I was thinking of BMWs in the 1960s. They had the stalk on the right before Mercedes.

Your Caddy is a DTS...... it's on the same chassis derivation from the 1985 C-bodies (DeVille, Fleetwood, Park Ave. and LeSabre, Olds 88 & 98). All of the new Cadillac chassis since 2004 (alpha, sigma, etc) have had the wiper switch on the right side.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Lorne

Ummm where I come from,that would be copying,

There's copying to be "like the other guy", and then there's "we have to do it this way because it's the right way to do it" even though, or because, everyone else does it.

Big difference.

Every manufacturer used to have a different - and their own - sequence of gear selection for their automatic transmissions too.

GM's was "P NDSLR"

Then someone used the P RNDSL arrangement and everyone went to that because it's the proper way to do it.

[Lorne]

Originally Posted by Petrol Head

There's copying to be "like the other guy", and then there's "we have to do it this way because it's the right way to do it" even though, or because, everyone else does it.

Big difference

I agree,one is (for sake of a less sensitive word “duplicating”) and the other an “order” as you say was the case for all cars having it

Good discussion,you are to be respected for sure.

Lorne

[gmcvt]

Originally Posted by JROC

Oddly enough the flowtie in the grill really doesn't bother me anymore. I used to hate it.

One thing that I think could improve the look is to lesson the width of the blacked area. The small panels below the headlights could be painted the color of the rest of the car and it would give you less of the Joker smile kind of look the stock car has.

I'm talking about these small panels under the headlights that rap around the ends of the headlights:


Still the look has very much grown on me. I really dig the OEM 2019 SS look. IMO it will be a very sought after GEN6 Camaro in a few years seeing as it was sold for one year and in small #'s.

So are those areas under the headlight removable or part of the bumper cover?

[NEGXXIS]

Originally Posted by gmcvt

So are those areas under the headlight removable or part of the bumper cover?

Removable. I removed and reinstalled mine when I wrapped my front bumper cover.