[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by kwav8r

But, if you don’t mind paying ~$300 for an oil change and looking like every other Beemer driver out there, go for it.

Not knocking your question or bagging on any of these cars, they are just wildly different and if you like the styling of the 1LE, I don’t see how either the Tesla or BMW get you there.

300.00 oil changes? My past M cars. 09 M3/13M5/16 M5/18 M3. Oil changes are covered as part of the maintenance program. SMH. Ever own an EV?

[Apexslayer]

I have a 1LE and a 3, so I can comment on those two directly. Please test drive both because they serve two very different functions. I use the 3 as a daily commuter - it serves this function well. I use the 1LE as a fun/track car - it serves this function well. I would not use the 3 as a track car and I would not use the 1LE as a commuter. As for the M2 - great car, but there is no performance/$ comparison between the 1LE and the M2. The 1LE blows it away. As I said, test drive each - they are very different.

[Mark R]

Originally Posted by photorph

Apples and oranges comparison here and I'd go with the ZL1 if they were the same price. But hear me out.

The chevy dealers aren't really budging on pricing and the best I'm able to do for a ZLE is 67-68k with an out the door price of ~73k in Michigan. I can maybe get this down a bit after a whole lot of work and looking at out of state dealers, but no matter what we're still at 70k or higher out the door.

Meanwhile the tesla model 3 performance is 60k OTD and has a 0-60 of 3.2. More importantly it feels faster due to the instant response time, I did drive it. Next level fast to the point that the acceleration can make you nauseous even.

The M2 is a great driver's car, haven't driven one yet personally though. This is still 5k less than the Zl1 at 66k OTD and is about the same 0-60 time with a more refined transmission and interior.

Thoughts?

Note: My daily driver is a 2016 camaro SS 6 speed, looking for a new DD. I will not be tracking the car.

Thoughts? Why would you pose such a question on a ZL-1 forum? What do you think the answer will be? Like going to a Steak Forum, and asking about soy/vegan options for dinner.

People here have paid upward of $75k for gas powered high horsepower American sports cars because we are not interested in coal-powered electric shit boxes or over-engineered and over-priced Bavarian Money Wasters.

The answer is to get whatever car you want, and if you get a ZL-1, come to this forum to learn and contribute.

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by photorph

Yea i saw that and replied there, long story short not gonna happen. 65 OTD is what some ppl got so that's what I want.

I'm not a Tesla guy but I do have a tiny bit of knowledge on the battery cars.
Op knows more about Tesla than I do., That said.

If I'm cruising at my normal speed, lets say, 110 mph and a model 3 pulls up next to me and we hit it to 150mph, I torch him in the ZL1 right? because he has no battery power at that speed?

[photorph]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I'm not a Tesla guy but I do have a tiny bit of knowledge on the battery cars.
Op knows more about Tesla than I do., That said.

If I'm cruising at my normal speed, lets say, 110 mph and a model 3 pulls up next to me and we hit it to 150mph, I torch him in the ZL1 right? because he has no battery power at that speed?

This is correct, at higher speeds above a 100 the good old gas cars pull ahead. Where tesla is unbeatable is the 0-60 which is does consistently w/o any effort. But eventually something like a ZL1 will pull ahead.

[photorph]

Originally Posted by Apexslayer

I have a 1LE and a 3, so I can comment on those two directly. Please test drive both because they serve two very different functions. I use the 3 as a daily commuter - it serves this function well. I use the 1LE as a fun/track car - it serves this function well. I would not use the 3 as a track car and I would not use the 1LE as a commuter. As for the M2 - great car, but there is no performance/$ comparison between the 1LE and the M2. The 1LE blows it away. As I said, test drive each - they are very different.

Great insight here. I've ruled out the M2. Having model 3 and 1LE is really best of both worlds.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by photorph

This is correct, at higher speeds above a 100 the good old gas cars pull ahead. Where tesla is unbeatable is the 0-60 which is does consistently w/o any effort. But eventually something like a ZL1 will pull ahead.

My car (SS at ZL1-ish power) begins pulling on a Model 3 Performance at about 60 mph, by that time it's car lengths ahead, but the gap closes relatively quickly afterwards. Theoretically speaking, of course.

[kramard]

You’re comparing a couple cars that are wildly different. Got sort out what you want first.

Contrary to some comments here - I bet a track packaged Tesla is amazing. Some of the drift videos are wild but are you willing to take new tech, teething release issues and bet that Tesla will make it through this? Big bet.

M2C is a drivers car. Small, nimble, flickable but it’s based on some older architecture albeit with fancy improvements. I’d drive one in a second but depending on manual vs auto gearing could be long and it doesn’t deliver the lap time for price.

Zl1 is a long wheel base car. It’ll be the most planted of the three probably. Don’t buy one if the price isn’t right. Watch the zl1 depreciation video on YouTube.

Unless you need a car now, I wouldn’t buy anything at the moment. Q2 recession fears are legit and I bet you’ll see some relief on pricing in the coming weeks. Will be interesting to see how auto rates respond to the rate cut. Lastly, careful about adding debt right now. If you’re buying cash then the price difference shouldn’t matter as much and you should pay for the experience you desire. Truthfully you couldn’t go wrong with any of the 3. You just need to pick the one that addresses what you are looking from a car: new age tech, flickable, or, gt powerhouse.

[seanblurr]

Stay far away from a ZLE as a DD if you are cross-shopping a M3P and M2 Comp.

[TVM1LE]

How much was the Tesla dealer willing to negotiate on price? (Insert sarcasm)

Based on your other threads you seem hellbent on beating a dealer out of as much money as possible, but in this instance seem fine with paying Tesla Corporate full pop for the car?

Just interesting the difference in mentality there..

[speedraider]

until you drive a tesla model 3 performance, don't knock it. On the street, it will eat your ass so quick, you wouldn't even know what happened. Those fckers pull so hard from a stop, its crazy .

[L78toLT1]

Interesting article in this month's Car and Driver. They did 15 back-to-back 1/4 mile passes in a top of the line Tesla. It started off in the low 11's but quickly, I'm talking like by the third run or so, was knocking off 13 - 14 second runs. If anyone encounters a Tesla in the wild, don't automatically assume that you can't keep up, unless the Tesla is just putting out of a Supercharger station!

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by kwav8r

If you’re looking at a Tesla, I recommend you look up “EV range anxiety” too when considering an EV and what you’re driving distances/practices are and what you would use the car for.

IMHO, the Tesla is a commuter car. Don’t care if it’s faster off the line, it’ll never corner like a sports car or give you the feedback of a large displacement V8.

The M2 is not even in the same zip code as far as I’m concerned. But, if you don’t mind paying ~$300 for an oil change and looking like every other Beemer driver out there, go for it.

Not knocking your question or bagging on any of these cars, they are just wildly different and if you like the styling of the 1LE, I don’t see how either the Tesla or BMW get you there.

There was a tesla just tearing it up at the autox a few weeks ago. I was pleasantly surprised. I'm not ready to give up the American V8 just yet, but it gave me hope for the next chapter of racing daily driveable cars.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by L78toLT1

Interesting article in this month's Car and Driver. They did 15 back-to-back 1/4 mile passes in a top of the line Tesla. It started off in the low 11's but quickly, I'm talking like by the third run or so, was knocking off 13 - 14 second runs. If anyone encounters a Tesla in the wild, don't automatically assume that you can't keep up, unless the Tesla is just putting out of a Supercharger station!

Yep, I've already posted this elsewhere, but for quick reference, here are their results vs the Porsche Taycan: