[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I don’t think you’ve been keeping up on current events. This is the greatest and last 1LE ...at least as we’ve known them.

Al O left the Camaro team. Gen7 delayed. All to shift focus to BEV.

I'm not saying the 6th gen 1LE isn't the greatest 1LE to date - it's certainly an impressive car both from seeing the fast road course laptimes to [albeit briefly] seeing one from an out-on-the-track perspective. Whether it's the last 1LE remains to be seen.

It's dilution via the AT distancing the driver just a little more from the driving that concerns me. I'm just not on board with letting even transmission automation do more so that I can get away with doing less. See the text in my sig.


Norm

[Chutzpah]

I like manual transmissions as much as anyone. But, where I live / drive really isn’t conducive to daily driving the manual SS 1LE day to day. The automatic 1LE on the other hand, is nice surprise and option for people like me. This would keep me in the Camaro family, instead of looking at a Charger or Stang (as a daily driver).

As a side note, I don’t understand the ruining of the car theme....for those of you that feel that way, don’t buy the auto. Seems pretty simple.

[Scottyz]

Originally Posted by Balzdeep

Having options for the consumer in the end is always a good thing.

Agree.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Chutzpah

As a side note, I don’t understand the ruining of the car theme....for those of you that feel that way, don’t buy the auto. Seems pretty simple.

Simple choice for now, anyway.

Time will tell how long choice will remain, though existence of the MT choice will probably end up being a consequence of how popular the AT option becomes. Basically, where availability of what you might prefer ends up depending on how many people want the other choice, and the more popular that other choice gets the poorer the outlook for you. Remember, I've already been through this a time or three.


Norm

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Be careful. For SOME old people, maybe.

I doubt that there's very many old people who really fit into this discussion. Most old people aren't shopping for Camaros (or Mustangs) to begin with, let alone looking into the top-handling trims within those nameplates.


For the record, my wife and I were both born in the late 1940's, and neither of us wants an AT even in the "family cars".


Norm

I"ll believe it when I see old people not flocking to Subaru Foresters and the like. From an ergonomic perspective (my training) it makes no sense, older people have trouble turning their neck and ingress/egressing from something like a Camaro. Best is usually a lowered pickup truck/SUV/mini-van type. You can tell me that older folks are buying manual transmissions...hell, maybe some of them even know how to drive one, but it's sure not what I see them buying and driving. You are talking about a niche market so small it's probably on the scale of or smaller than any other manual-transmission niche population, including millenials. Hell, Subaru WRX and STIs rule the roads around here and any mountainous area I've ever lived in, and those sure as hell ain't older folks...they are...wait for it...millenials!

My point is older people like you, your demographic, are creating the pressure for automatic transmissions just as much, or more than, any other demographic, especially when we think about numbers of baby boomers...

[driven2exceSS]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Simple choice for now, anyway.

Time will tell how long choice will remain, though existence of the MT choice will probably end up being a consequence of how popular the AT option becomes.

Norm

And the unfortunate consequence of the existence/evolution of EV's

[LT4Greg]

I tend to agree with Norm because I’m a baby boomer too but in a few years we all will be talking about the EV vehicles and all of them being built the same with no options to speak of and thinking back to years gone by when we could get a vehicle with different options such as a manual/automatic transmissions, engines etc.

[Chevyfan4life]

Originally Posted by Tyestick

I think he was talking about being able to change the parameters in the settings... Launch rpm, slippage, etc, etc.

Line-lock would be nice as well.

Bingo!

[ScatPack]

The people cry babying about this seem to forget that GM put the auto in the vette GS, Z06 and ZR1 and they are KINGS on the track over the slower manuals. This was the right move and it needed to be done years ago.

I will be ordering one for sure. I had a 17 1LE and loved the car but despised the manual.

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

Question for you Matt Miller, are you going to buy a new 2021 SS 1LE with the A10 Auto when it comes out?

Well I just bought a 2020, so I have no plans to shop for any car in 2021. But if the A10 had been available when I was shopping, I would have given a very serious consideration, yes. I assume it will be a serious chunk of extra change. If it were a no-cost option and I were shopping for a 1LE in 2021, I'd probably get it.

[Jbanta1983]

Originally Posted by Msquared

You curmudgeons are something else. Chevy's "ruined" the 1LE because the A10 will be an option? I guess so, because in 2021, if you want to buy a new 1LE, you will only be able to get it with an automatic. No matter how much you might want the manual, you will be forced (probably at gunpoint!) to get the auto. Oh...wait...no you won't:


For all you track-time purists who want the highest-performing 1LE option, the A10 is in all likelihood faster on a road course or drag strip. Some back-to-back testing I've seen bears that out. And BTW, in every high-level category of road racing where it's allowed, semi-manual (the shifting is fully automated) is always chosen because it's faster and more reliable. Every. Single. Time.

Get a grip, people! You all are worse than the Corvette guys screaming about how their favorite car has been ruined now that it's a mid-engine car.

It is ruined.. why would I want an American car that is now trying to be a European car? The c7 is so much better in every way, I hate the c8. Call me a curmudgeon I'm just being honest

[s346k]

i think the auto proponents are missing the point.

there is no longer any exclusivity. imho, aside from its performance, the manual trans only is what made the 1LE desirable. i think watered down is a good description. looking back from 30 years ahead will prove, as it does now, most of the desired and valuable (gm) cars did not have options. they were as you received them.

after doing car things for well over 30 years, believe my purist and performance personalities clash. a lot. i think some things are better left alone. who da thunk that an automated, state of the art computer could do something better than a human? simply one more tether between man and machine being ousted and supported because few want, have and wholly support the idea of DRIVING.

there are car people
there are people who like cars

neither makes sense to the other one.

[TRZ06]

I think the 1LE versions should get the dual clutch as the auto option from the C8. That would have me trading up.

Negative on the A10 though. While it is fast on the upshifts, a traditional auto will NEVER downshift as fast or as crisp as a dual clutch.

If I am going auto, it is dual clutch or bust.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Balzdeep

Having options for the consumer in the end is always a good thing.

As long as one of the options doesn't run the other one out of production, anyway . . . unfortunately, that's something that will probably never concern the AT proponents.


Norm