[That1guy_tim]

Originally Posted by foshjowler

The biggest mistake people make is thinking they need all sorts of mods to track their car. The only thing I would say is necessary is a set of brake pads that won't overheat on lap 2. Autox is even easier, your car basically just needs to be roadworthy, and you're good to go.

I know I don't NEED the mods, but I enjoy wasting money and spending time wrenching on my vehicles

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I think this is the reality. I've owned a 2016 1SS and now a 2018 1SS 1LE. If the driver's skill sets are comparable the 1SS is not going to be able to keep up, better tires and brakes will help, but won't close the gap all the way.

Having said that, when driving cars like these I think the driver is the most important mod. A good driver in a 1SS will win over a mediocre driver in a 1LE every time.

and keeping up with lap times matters in a HPDE setting how exactly??

[foshjowler]

Originally Posted by That1guy_tim

I know I don't NEED the mods, but I enjoy wasting money and spending time wrenching on my vehicles

Don't we all

[MackSteelPrivateEye]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

I made that mistake once when speaking to one of the Camaro team a couple years ago. I mentiones that I had just a 1SS... he stopped me, gave me a look and said. 'It's not a 1SS - You drive a Camaro SS!'

That made me think
Why was I thinking my car is 'less' because the feature list is less.
It's still a god damn SS.

I felt much better after that. No more saying I drove a 1SS. I owned a CAMARO SS.

Its a "Super Sport" lots of heritage going back over 50 years. The first year it was just optional dress up package, then it became a PERFORMANCE package. The SS badge has been on Impalas, Novas, Monte Carlos, Camaros, Chevelles, El Camino, Pickup Trucks. In the 80s it was some what of a joke like all performance cars then. Luckily over time they got there sh!t together and performance is back.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by c4racer

and keeping up with lap times matters in a HPDE setting how exactly??

I'm not sure why you're asking me that question. I never said anything about keeping up with lap times nor did I say anything about HPDE. The OP was seeking comments on modding a 1SS to perform as well or better than a 1LE and I responded to that. Perhaps you meant to quote someone who was talking about tracking lap times and HPDE?

[c4racer]

Oh - not directed at you at all - just a general statement really more directed at the OP and at the subject premise generally. Obviously these street cars are not being used in race classes here - what is important IMO is learning how to drive safely and building speed on track in whatever car you are in and enjoying yourself. I mean sure - given similar tires and with the same driver a 1LE is going to be some small amount faster than a SS depending on the track of course. But what I'm suggesting is that doesn't really matter - or it shouldn't really matter.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by c4racer

Oh - not directed at you at all - just a general statement really more directed at the OP and at the subject premise generally. Obviously these street cars are not being used in race classes here - what is important IMO is learning how to drive safely and building speed on track in whatever car you are in and enjoying yourself. I mean sure - given similar tires and with the same driver a 1LE is going to be some small amount faster than a SS depending on the track of course. But what I'm suggesting is that doesn't really matter - or it shouldn't really matter.

I shoot competitively. There are tons of different things you can do to 'slick up' the different guns we use so they can be operated faster. For the middle of the pack shooter and below, those things make almost no difference, other than they make the guns a little smoother and easier to operate. But, for those of us that are in it to win it, they make a huge difference. I lost my last match by 4/100 of a second. I won the one before it by about 2/10s of a second.

If I had been running stock guns I wouldn't have stood a chance in either match, I would have lost by a couple of seconds each time, at least.

I think having a 1LE is pretty similar to that. For most it won't make any difference at all, but for the drivers who are striving to improve by tenths or hundredths of a second, it matters, a lot.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I shoot competitively. There are tons of different things you can do to 'slick up' the different guns we use so they can be operated faster. For the middle of the pack shooter and below, those things make almost no difference, other than they make the guns a little smoother and easier to operate. But, for those of us that are in it to win it, they make a huge difference. I lost my last match by 4/100 of a second. I won the one before it by about 2/10s of a second.

If I had been running stock guns I wouldn't have stood a chance in either match, I would have lost by a couple of seconds each time, at least.

I think having a 1LE is pretty similar to that. For most it won't make any difference at all, but for the drivers who are striving to improve by tenths or hundredths of a second, it matters, a lot.

Ya - I get it, but I have a different view at this point. I raced competitively with NASA in the CMC group for several years which changed my perspective on track driving completely. I haven't driven a street car on the track since then and not sure how much I will do it moving forward either - but I do have a 71 Camaro I would like to get back out there and experience a classic wrapped pro-touring car for a change of pace. But not sure how far I will go with it without adding some safety - which then becomes an entire can of worms. Race car with a full cage, HANs, race seat etc. makes you feel much different about running up near the limit which means occasionally going over it. And I've seen mishaps on track up close and personal while running in a pack at that pace that put cars into walls with good friends of mine driving them - and that also changed my perspective on the whole thing - they were fine, but honestly only because of the safety gear in a full race car. And also running in a pack at that pace is an entirely different experience and after doing that driving around the track mostly by myself chasing a lap time became entirely non interesting.
that's just me tho - everybody has their own journey with this stuff!

Both cars are great on the track and both cars also kinda suck on the track depending what you are used to. Our Camaro race cars were 3150lbs which is a much better track weight than a street 6th gen by a huge margin. And being strapped into a race seat that fits you perfectly and is placed in exactly the right position for you is also a night and day difference from sliding around the stock seats with stock seatbelts in a street car - and yes, the 1LE seats are much better than the regular SS seats so that alone can make a huge difference.

Anyway - that's all I will add, probably unnecessary drivel to this topic.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by c4racer

Ya - I get it, but I have a different view at this point. I raced competitively with NASA in the CMC group for several years which changed my perspective on track driving completely. I haven't driven a street car on the track since then and not sure how much I will do it moving forward either - but I do have a 71 Camaro I would like to get back out there and experience a classic wrapped pro-touring car for a change of pace. But not sure how far I will go with it without adding some safety - which then becomes an entire can of worms. Race car with a full cage, HANs, race seat etc. makes you feel much different about running up near the limit which means occasionally going over it. And I've seen mishaps on track up close and personal while running in a pack at that pace that put cars into walls with good friends of mine driving them - and that also changed my perspective on the whole thing - they were fine, but honestly only because of the safety gear in a full race car. And also running in a pack at that pace is an entirely different experience and after doing that driving around the track mostly by myself chasing a lap time became entirely non interesting.
that's just me tho - everybody has their own journey with this stuff!

Both cars are great on the track and both cars also kinda suck on the track depending what you are used to. Our Camaro race cars were 3150lbs which is a much better track weight than a street 6th gen by a huge margin. And being strapped into a race seat that fits you perfectly and is placed in exactly the right position for you is also a night and day difference from sliding around the stock seats with stock seatbelts in a street car - and yes, the 1LE seats are much better than the regular SS seats so that alone can make a huge difference.

Anyway - that's all I will add, probably unnecessary drivel to this topic.

I understand what you mean. It's the difference between something purpose built to do one thing really well, and something built to be able to do two things (or more) but not excel at either one. Kind of like when I used to race dirt bikes. Yeah somebody can bring their street bike out on the dirt, but it ain't keeping up with my YZ 250.

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I understand what you mean. It's the difference between something purpose built to do one thing really well, and something built to be able to do two things (or more) but not excel at either one. Kind of like when I used to race dirt bikes. Yeah somebody can bring their street bike out on the dirt, but it ain't keeping up with my YZ 250.

damn straight. Exactly right. SS and 1LE are both amazing performance street cars that are perfectly at home on a track, considering their weight. But they are heavy cars, which is the dual purpose compromise that had to be made.

And yes - my Camaro race car would be quite terrible at going to the grocery store or taking a jaunt over to the beach for the day... What with the locker rear axle and no muffler and all that spaghetti tubing taking up all the interior space, zero insulation, heck - no side windows for that matter!

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

OP if = skill the 1LE will be faster than a non-1LE SS and with the big front brakes will be able to track a little longer before brake fade. But that being said any SS is a very good track car that can be faster than a Gen5 1LE and many other fast cars.
And a good driver in a SS with tires can beat a lesser driver in a 1LE.
Practice, and more practice.

100% this and i'll add a good driver in an SS even on stock tires can still beat plenty of lesser drivers in many better cars.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

100% this and i'll add a good driver in an SS even on stock tires can still beat plenty of lesser drivers in many better cars.

True, but man that SS 1LE is sweet. Coming out of corners....it's like it knows what I want to do, and I know right where its limits are, very linear. As a former SS owner, you can tell the difference.

[TheRealJA105]

I wish I had an ediff so I knew what you are talking about. 100% i think it would improve my laptimes.

[driven2exceSS]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

I wish I had an ediff so I knew what you are talking about. 100% i think it would improve my laptimes.

Yup, I can't even count how many times I have said this to myself! lol "Someday"