[Artryan]

GM doesn't really market any specific car anymore as best I can tell. Most of the commercials I recall recently are more of group sales pitch for several different models in one commercial.

Maybe with women running the show at GM, they have different priorities in which product they decide to advertise? I think with the lack of camaro advertising, and allowing the persistence of the rumor that the Camaro is on its death bed doesn't make it a very desirable buy. If you didn't know any better, you'd think that GM is looking to harm itself in terms of sales of existing models. Pretty dumb if you ask me. Who wants to buy a car that its own manufacturer doesn't even appear to like?

[BMR Sales]

about a month ago, one of those $hitbox Fiat 500s was in front of me. He opened the Sunroof and that sumabitch went flying - hit a Truck 3 vehicles back of me!

[3.8TransAM]

As far as cars go, Dodge puts out something a family can use. Back seat can fit an actual person that is not an amputee or paraplegic. Camaro has all but killed that point of their car. People fail to realize the mass market is what makes a model survive, not the enthusiast side of it. There are simply not enough of us. All those V6 and 4 banger Camaros are what keep the viability around for the SS, 1LE and ZL1 in all their variations, not the other way around.



The 6th Gen platform is bonafide awesome drivers car, but they hurt themselves on the mas market side of things with the too high sill line and basically useless rear seats. It may not be a game changer for enthusiasts but it certainly is for the mass market.


Like someone said already, Dodge has been using the same platform for 10+ years in a few variations and its still selling.

[Deputy Dog]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

As far as cars go, Dodge puts out something a family can use. Back seat can fit an actual person that is not an amputee or paraplegic. Camaro has all but killed that point of their car. People fail to realize the mass market is what makes a model survive, not the enthusiast side of it. There are simply not enough of us. All those V6 and 4 banger Camaros are what keep the viability around for the SS, 1LE and ZL1 in all their variations, not the other way around.



The 6th Gen platform is bonafide awesome drivers car, but they hurt themselves on the mas market side of things with the too high sill line and basically useless rear seats. It may not be a game changer for enthusiasts but it certainly is for the mass market.


Like someone said already, Dodge has been using the same platform for 10+ years in a few variations and its still selling.

The VW Beetle sold on the same platform for over 50 years with hardly no changes at all. 1938-2003.

[Pupilbone]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

As far as cars go, Dodge puts out something a family can use. Back seat can fit an actual person that is not an amputee or paraplegic. Camaro has all but killed that point of their car. People fail to realize the mass market is what makes a model survive, not the enthusiast side of it. There are simply not enough of us. All those V6 and 4 banger Camaros are what keep the viability around for the SS, 1LE and ZL1 in all their variations, not the other way around.



The 6th Gen platform is bonafide awesome drivers car, but they hurt themselves on the mas market side of things with the too high sill line and basically useless rear seats. It may not be a game changer for enthusiasts but it certainly is for the mass market.


Like someone said already, Dodge has been using the same platform for 10+ years in a few variations and its still selling.

IMO Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, or even Rice sport coupe buyers aren’t purchasing for or from the “Family” market. I rarely roll up on a mustang or challenger guy that has a passenger let alone a baby seat or two in the back of their car. If they have this requirement they tend to rationalize what they desire in a car as being ok for their current family situation. These guys (mostly), are drawn by other things. Looks, loyalties, even the herd mentality etc...

I see as many low budget Camaros in rental fleets as I do Mustangs and Challengers (I travel and rent cars too often). Chev has had pricing issues against mustang and challenger in V8 models until the LT1 Camaro, (and this model may have come too late). To me model viability has to be a green light from the beginning. Pricing, looks, performance, and marketing all take centre stage. This combo unfortunately, hasn’t been as effective from Chev as it has been from Ford or Dodge in the recent past. Here’s hoping my loyalty (Chev), can start getting this right.

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by Deputy Dog

The VW Beetle sold on the same platform for over 50 years with hardly no changes at all. 1938-2003.

Perspective however, base bare bones transportation vs. todays cars is not quite the same. Also there is a lot of us who back then and to this day would not be caught dead in one

Originally Posted by Pupilbone

IMO Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, or even Rice sport coupe buyers aren’t purchasing for or from the “Family” market. I rarely roll up on a mustang or challenger guy that has a passenger let alone a baby seat or two in the back of their car. If they have this requirement they tend to rationalize what they desire in a car as being ok for their current family situation. These guys (mostly), are drawn by other things. Looks, loyalties, even the herd mentality etc...

I see as many low budget Camaros in rental fleets as I do Mustangs and Challengers (I travel and rent cars too often). Chev has had pricing issues against mustang and challenger in V8 models until the LT1 Camaro, (and this model may have come too late). To me model viability has to be a green light from the beginning. Pricing, looks, performance, and marketing all take centre stage. This combo unfortunately, hasn’t been as effective from Chev as it has been from Ford or Dodge in the recent past. Here’s hoping my loyalty (Chev), can start getting this right.

I never said family. They made it useless to those who could use it in a pinch thereby justify buying one as a second driver. ENTHUSIASTS do not keep cars alive, the general public does, that does not mean family only. (Will make an exception for Vettes, 911s, etc that are on the high end of things). I covered my butt when she got the new ride, the deal was next one is mine regardless of whether kids fit or not :-)



I do agree in the pricing issues. Even back to third and fourth gen days a Camaro or Firebird was always more than a Mustang. Although some of that went to a much nicer vehicle overall. Fox bodies were light, but handling and interior went to the third gens for sure and even arguable on 4th gen vs. the early SN95.



Then again Chevy and GM should quit being pansies and advertise the car so people know it exists. Quit pulling Vette commercials because the car jumped and flew and someone called in to complain. Remember the Ram Air commercials? Anything to let people know how good of a car they can actually make?

[19coupe]

Jeep sure hasn't hurt them.

[3.8TransAM]

Originally Posted by 19coupe

Jeep sure hasn't hurt them.

The Gladiator was going for MRSP or more for quite a while, now they are 9k off A Wrangler is expensive as hell now.

[Joe Remi]

The 500 may not have saved the company (that's Jeep), but I still see a ton of them around here. I had a 500 Abarth Cabrio for a few years, it was huge fun. And loud!

[SirJangle]

Originally Posted by Ventura 1LE

Then as more EV cars are surfacing what about the big elephant in the room.. taxes lost on gas.. hmmm..

I've read that EV owners will be experiencing an extra fee at registration since they're not paying taxes to support the roads they drive on. Something like $200/year on top of their registration fees.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by SirJangle

I've read that EV owners will be experiencing an extra fee at registration since they're not paying taxes to support the roads they drive on. Something like $200/year on top of their registration fees.

No one should doubt they will get their money. In Illinois you pay $100 more, clearly stated, for not paying fuel taxes.

Now in Illinois we have a .38 per gallon gas tax so that's only the equivalent of about 270 gallons, which at 20 mpg would be 5,400 miles, 30 mpg would be 8,100 miles. For some people that's an over payment. Others still under, depending on your driving habits.

[MackSteelPrivateEye]

Ralph Gilles did a great job in promoting Dodge performance. Several years ago he was becoming a household name to Musclecar enthusiasts then he disappeared when Sergio put him in another position.