[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Nailed it!! That could have worked as a no-holds barred PP2 or even an upgrade to GT350.

I just don't see why Ford goes to all this expense just to end up where they could have been for cheaper. The GT350 was super expensive just for them to find out the much cheaper PP2 was right there in performance...which caused them to have to nerf it so it wouldn't embarrass the 350. The 350 nor the PP2 can beat the SLE. So why not just put coolers on the PP2, ditch the 350, and call it a day. They basically have a car that can only beat a crippled version of itself and nothing else. Then the GT500 ended up being super expensive just to end up not being able to beat much of anything. The CF outperforms the Base around a track but the Base beats the CF in the quarter and neither can beat the ZLE around a track and barely in the quarter. Neither can beat the Base/Z51 C8s in the quarter and the only reason it can beat them around a track is because of the 265 HP advantage it has. Ford sure goes to extreme lengths just to still get beaten.

Originally Posted by DaveC113

No way... GT500 CFTP has far better profit margins and the Shelby hype.

And for nothing. LOL!!

[Lafourche1]

This thread has an entertainment value. However, until Ford lets the GT500 out to play against (insert names here - Porsche, Corvette, Camaro, Aston Martin, Audi, etc.) then I am afraid we'll just be playing the waiting game. Unfortunately, I think it may be a rather long wait.

[rocket403]

Demon vs GT500 the GT had a better MPH but lost to the Dodge will need to try that again

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Demon vs GT500 the GT had a better MPH but lost to the Dodge will need to try that again

What mods did the GT500 have that it went 144 MPH?

[rocket403]

E85 Tune pulley is what I caught but think there was a bit more as well

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What mods did the GT500 have that it went 144 MPH?

1050's, E85, pulley, cat delete. At least.

[Laststandard]

Once you start modding the results are meaningless. It just becomes a game of who has deeper pockets.

Will be interesting to see how long the GT500 DCT lasts.

[JB'sZL1]

Also, the 500 blew something on the second run. I don't know if it was a rod or the tranny, but it sounded bad (hard to hear with all the talk, wind and bad audio).

[RageWorx]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

1050's, E85, pulley, cat delete. At least.

correct ... Also the owner of the Demon was running 93 wanted to go easy on the GT500 because of the DCT killing the cars 60ft abilities.

That explains the large trap speed difference as the Demon should be in the high 130s mph trap with the 100 oct race tune crate setup.

Again I'll say that I LOVE the Engine in the new GT500 the Predator one of my favorite new powerplants out there (Terminator owner). Reminds me of a Modern version of my Terminator engine just awesome power and high revs.

However for the money I'm not crazy about the rest of the car/chassis (the 6th gen Alpha is just that much better not just a buzz word lol) or the DCT.

Its like Ford wasn't sure where this car would end up on the muscle/sports car spectrum because it was delivered so late in the S550 life cycle so they threw a bit of everything in the pot ...... and ended up with a Ford Hellcat that can handle really well before it wears its tires out in 2 laps because it weighs ~4150 lbs ..... a 4000+ lbs focused road racing/track toy ... sounds like something Lexus would cook up than charge 100+k (RCF Track edition + power anyone lol).

Either way These new 500s are making crazy power already its just a shame that where you will apparently see them most (not on a track but a drag strip surprise surprise) The Tremec DCT will forever hold this car back vs a Torque Converter trans regarding the 60ft in the 1/4 unless Shep trans starts building them (one of the top GTR and DSM trans dudes the GOAT) .... but from a roll these cars will be pretty sick so in the end it depends on what you do with your car and Have FUN.

-Jon

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

Once you start modding the results are meaningless. It just becomes a game of who has deeper pockets.

Will be interesting to see how long the GT500 DCT lasts.

werd

[LESS1]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

This was sent to me earlier.
Price it around low $60K and ditch the worthless Goddamn GT350 finally. It would probably kill the GT500 sales and markups but at least they'll have a decently priced high HP monster that can be modified.

Not sure anyone in the 60K price range is going to stretch to a GT500 for the awesome performance difference. Plus at the current GT500 price point, it is rather cost-prohibitive for most Mustang buyers in the first place. My point is a Mustang GS equivalent wouldn't threaten GT500 sales, GT350/R sales? Absolutely.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I hear that these are good until only around 700+ RWHP at which point you'll have to upgrade. What are your thoughts? I'll be approaching those limits later this year and I want to know ahead of time what I'll need.

I think for FBO SS the PS4S are perfect and I could use the zero-lift shifts. With a built NA engine large cam, headers no lift shift could NOT be used as the car would be in the ditch. With traction control on, these tires work well. Handling is better than stock, turn in, wet and dry traction, noise, ride et al.
With my setup, they are hopeless and I can spin them at 1/10 of the throttle first gear, maybe 1/2 throttle second and only lift shift solid into 3rd can I roll into full throttle. I'm at your HP level. You will have slightly more rubber, and that may do the trick. I feel the auto may take these tires a little better.

For an M6 I'm leaning toward 888R or the Nexen surg4 is made in a size that I can use (same on OEM 1370 Challenger). If you can get away with the bigger tire since you have a ZL1, the PS4S maybe the best tire you can actually drive (till temp gets into the low 30s). My 4th gen I uses 555R exclusively and AFAIK the 888R feature the same compound as the rubber is made at the same plant.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by RageWorx

correct ... Also the owner of the Demon was running 93 wanted to go easy on the GT500 because of the DCT killing the cars 60ft abilities.

That explains the large trap speed difference as the Demon should be in the high 130s mph trap with the 100 oct race tune crate setup.

Again I'll say that I LOVE the Engine in the new GT500 the Predator one of my favorite new powerplants out there (Terminator owner). Reminds me of a Modern version of my Terminator engine just awesome power and high revs.

However for the money I'm not crazy about the rest of the car/chassis (the 6th gen Alpha is just that much better not just a buzz word lol) or the DCT.

Its like Ford wasn't sure where this car would end up on the muscle/sports car spectrum because it was delivered so late in the S550 life cycle so they threw a bit of everything in the pot ...... and ended up with a Ford Hellcat that can handle really well before it wears its tires out in 2 laps because it weighs ~4150 lbs ..... a 4000+ lbs focused road racing/track toy ... sounds like something Lexus would cook up than charge 100+k (RCF Track edition + power anyone lol).

Either way These new 500s are making crazy power already its just a shame that where you will apparently see them most (not on a track but a drag strip surprise surprise) The Tremec DCT will forever hold this car back vs a Torque Converter trans regarding the 60ft in the 1/4 unless Shep trans starts building them (one of the top GTR and DSM trans dudes the GOAT) .... but from a roll these cars will be pretty sick so in the end it depends on what you do with your car and Have FUN.

-Jon

pretty good summary.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

Once you start modding the results are meaningless. It just becomes a game of who has deeper pockets.

Will be interesting to see how long the GT500 DCT lasts.

looking at the spec, it seems to be much stronger and much higher RPM vs the C8's DCT, that said I think it is the sloppy control that will prevent it from being a proper 1/4 mile car. It just was NOT designed for it, in some ways it is a shame that's what most will be used for and I think they will prove to be finicky on the software control and inconsistent in heads up competition. AFAIK the tracks I grew up at on street night the timer does not start till you break the beam and tree is only there to make like you are racing. i.e. you could literally leave a full second after the green and it would NOT change your ET, neither would red lighting. So the slow DCT is not an issue. But in head-up, yeah it will be an issue, same at the local street fight,,, wait while I engage my launch control right.....

Look at it this way, the last shootout that I raced heads up was import vs Mustang, I took the Oldlady's built Volvo wagon (about 360 HP 4WD), which has given back to me once I got her the Mini JCW that she wanted. I went to the semifinals because I know how to drag and can cut a light and the wagon 4wd is rock solid consistant. Sure there were Mustangs 2 seconds faster but their times are all over the place, I mean ALL over the place.

So outside of street night, heads up, bracket etc the DCT is going to be a major problem, and we saw in the video there is no way to launch it with a street type start like a light change or a flag girl.

On that long post last night the 7 speed DCT could be upto 100 HP down between shifts while a A10 ZL1 is about 35 HP down. So a high RPM DOHC V8 and fewer gears can lead to near triple the HP loss on the shift.

Found this:
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=535579
I don't know why the graph shows the LT4 with a 6800+ RPM limit
https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...0speed-gm.html