[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

But it has cool wheels.....LOL. I agree with you here 100%

It does have some pretty cool wheels though in all seriousness lol. From a purely cosmetic standpoint, the PP2 looks amazing.

From a functional standpoint, its a disaster IMO

[minn19]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

PP2 is ridiculous imo, it's seriously compromised for street driving due to it's tire choice, both size and type, so it tramlines and is a PITA to drive. Yet it's also seriously compromised for track and according to Ford, isn't designed for it. Further, the tire choice costs far too much to maintain for the car it's on, I can't believe any PP2 owners are going to keep on buying Cup2 tires for ANY use. If they could afford that, they could afford a far better car in the first place.

100% agreed.

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Those laps were on two separate occasions, 1 year apart - a 1 second difference on a nearly 3 minute lap time is easily manipulated by track conditions. I will happily concede the PP2 can beat the SS 1LE for 1 lap, if they ever put them Head 2 Head at the same place and time and if it does in fact, best the 1LE...then I want to see it stay ahead for more than 3 laps.

Being that I am getting into road course, my closes track runs 20 min sessions (Track Junkies @ Castrol Raceway, Edmonton, AB). I would rather not have to worry about cooling at any point during a single session.

I'm honestly a little surprised it made it an entire lap without going into limp mode because of the diff overheating etc. The tech pack GT350s were notorious for doing this very quickly. Sometimes even on the street on a very hot day in traffic/backroad run much less a track.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Those laps were on two separate occasions, 1 year apart - a 1 second difference on a nearly 3 minute lap time is easily manipulated by track conditions. I will happily concede the PP2 can beat the SS 1LE for 1 lap, if they ever put them Head 2 Head at the same place and time and if it does in fact, best the 1LE...then I want to see it stay ahead for more than 3 laps.

Being that I am getting into road course, my closes track runs 20 min sessions (Track Junkies @ Castrol Raceway, Edmonton, AB). I would rather not have to worry about cooling at any point during a single session.

It was actually two years apart, 2016 (for the 2017 SS1LE) and 2018 (for the 2018 PP2). But your point is still valid, there is no same-day same-driver test between theset two, and one second on a three minute lap could very easliy be due to conditions. We need a real head-to-head! ThrottleHouse did a head-to-head with these two cars, but put them both on the same tires, and the 1LE won by a bit more than one second on their local track.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

It was actually two years apart, 2016 (for the 2017 SS1LE) and 2018 (for the 2018 PP2). But your point is still valid, there is no same-day same-driver test between theset two, and one second on a three minute lap could very easliy be due to conditions. We need a real head-to-head! ThrottleHouse did a head-to-head with these two cars, but put them both on the same tires, and the 1LE won by a bit more than one second on their local track.

What's funny is the PP2 lightning lap time is the only one the M6G crowd doesn't invoke the 'same day same driver' rule..

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

It was actually two years apart, 2016 (for the 2017 SS1LE) and 2018 (for the 2018 PP2). But your point is still valid, there is no same-day same-driver test between theset two, and one second on a three minute lap could very easliy be due to conditions. We need a real head-to-head! ThrottleHouse did a head-to-head with these two cars, but put them both on the same tires, and the 1LE won by a bit more than one second on their local track.

Yeah makes sense, C&D just lists a year behind the Car and it said 2017 so I just assumed it was that year for the test. I remember the Throttle House video. I actually like having both cars on the same tire - that levels the playing field to another level where the chassis and powertrain are the ones to make the actual differences.

Originally Posted by Laststandard

What's funny is the PP2 lightning lap time is the only one the M6G crowd doesn't invoke the 'same day same driver' rule..

Double standards are my favorite.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Hops

For the magazine racing community, I think they made the mustang PP2 to get a better lap time than the ss 1le.

People say this, but all it did was get a better lap on the lightning lap, different drivers and days, hardly objective. Randy ran them both, on different days though, and was faster with the 1le. Throttle house clearly proved the 1le is a superior built performance vehicle. Its not even questionable, the pp2 can hang for a bit but its not like its faster before it quits.

[oldman]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Well CLEARLY they are all wrong, look it up in the dictionary!
I almost can't believe he went there and tried to change a known term so he won't be wrong.
I did not expect him to go that far, that's dedication! lol


Blaq the next "racing" term you should tackle is "tree" because they are definitely NOT MADE OF WOOD and tree's DO NOT GROW LIGHTS!
Just look it up and the truth is right there!

Nurburing is a road course. Speeds top out at just under 200 MPH for "production" cars. Done... move on.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/a...nitive-rundown


Here is a 249 MPH road course run: https://gtspirit.com/2012/04/06/koen...o-nurburgring/

[oldman]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

The 2016 Technology Package was a joke. That is what I had and Ford was a ****up for making it without coolers. When I contacted Ford Racing about upgrading to new transmission and coolers, they said it would void my warranty. Ford sucks.

werd,

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by oldman

Nurburing is a road course. Speeds top out at just under 200 MPH for "production" cars. Done... move on.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/a...nitive-rundown


Here is a 249 MPH road course run: https://gtspirit.com/2012/04/06/koen...o-nurburgring/

The general public doesn't get to run the full back straight of the Nurburgring.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by oldman

Nurburing is a road course. Speeds top out at just under 200 MPH for "production" cars. Done... move on.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/a...nitive-rundown


Here is a 249 MPH road course run: https://gtspirit.com/2012/04/06/koen...o-nurburgring/

Must be fun to jump in right at the end and miss the original argument.
"A ROAD COURSE IN AMERICA" Blaq is not from Germany.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Must be fun to jump in right at the end and miss the original argument.
"A ROAD COURSE IN AMERICA" Blaq is not from Germany.

This.. but to be fair, it takes a lot of back reading.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Hops

For the magazine racing community, I think they made the mustang PP2 to get a better lap time than the ss 1le.

Yea and it was a 1 lap time bomb. LOL!!

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

From my recollection, this hasn't happened on the same day, same track, same driver?

I think they ran them twice. In one run the PP2 beat the SLE and the SLE won the other one. But the PP2 overheated and went into limp mode after the 1st lap from what I remember.

Originally Posted by shaffe

MT still hasn't done an official comparison with the GT500 yet. the test against the C8 was a mash up of two separate reviews. So I think we will still see one from them.

Plus I would bet it will be at performance car of the year, best drivers car and LL

Well hopefully there will be another one soon. And done properly.

Originally Posted by DaveC113

PP2 is ridiculous imo, it's seriously compromised for street driving due to it's tire choice, both size and type, so it tramlines and is a PITA to drive. Yet it's also seriously compromised for track and according to Ford, isn't designed for it. Further, the tire choice costs far too much to maintain for the car it's on, I can't believe any PP2 owners are going to keep on buying Cup2 tires for ANY use. If they could afford that, they could afford a far better car in the first place.

I don't know which one is worse between the PP2 and the GT350.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

This.. but to be fair, it takes a lot of back reading.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com...open-road-race

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

The 2016 Technology Package was a joke. That is what I had and Ford was a ****up for making it without coolers. When I contacted Ford Racing about upgrading to new transmission and coolers, they said it would void my warranty. Ford sucks.

I didn't think the Tech Pack was a joke when I was considering one. My only issue was that you couldn't combine it with the Track Pack. They made you pick one or the other. When I looked over the ZL1 I liked that there weren't any "packages" that you had to add on. It came fully track capable and the only extras were all aesthetics...and Nav. Which reminds me that the only way to option this car over $70K was to add unnecessary stuff to it. Even with the car cover, locking lug nuts, and battery charger I still was under $70K.