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BlaqWhole · 02-05-2020, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

YES! The SS is sold and warranted for track use. The PP2 is a poser that Ford clearly said is not.

The Camaro team claimed that the SS could run a full tank of fuel at 10/10 on their test track without overheating.
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Well that says a lot. I'm betting by lap 2 the SS will be done passed the PP2. By lap 3 the PP2 will be lapped and on the side of the road.

hotlap · 02-05-2020, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well that says a lot. I'm betting by lap 2 the SS will be done passed the PP2. By lap 3 the PP2 will be lapped and on the side of the road.

The complete Camaro performance package begins with the SS and the intensity ramps up from there.

A warrantied, fully track capable, 1SS has a starting msrp of $37,995.

$36,745 after the $1,250 cash back incentive available right now.

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With the lighter, stiffer architecture and more powerful engines, the Gen Six Camaro SS delivers better lap times than the fifth-generation’s track-focused Camaro 1LE package.

https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/...16-camaro.html

The gen5 1LE was faster than the (special) Boss 302 LS.

A gen6 SS is more of a track car than the (special) 2016 GT350 technology package.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2...-lawsuit.shtml

oldman · 02-06-2020, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So the standard SS has better cooling than the PP2...??

yep, and really since none of the coolers are for the supercharger, one may argue that it has even better cooling than the ZL1.

oldman · 02-06-2020, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

I rode passenger in my buddy's 911 on an autox cross once and it felt like he was running slicks coming out of turns even though he had stock tires. You are going to fall in love with that high rear weight bias. Doubt it will ever get old.

My bro has a flat 6 Boxster with aftermarket turbo, performance rubber and that thing is insanity pretending to be a car.

When I was younger Beck Spyder had a outlet down my street. He had a special extended version with a flat 6 mid engine and complete with "go to hell" 6 point N20 injection. My good friend who passed away racing his Camaro owned a Roadster shop in California, he had everything you could imagine on a fiberglass T-bucket, blown hemi... you get the picture. Going for a ride with him would take a year off your life.

ZRacerLE · 02-06-2020, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

My bro has a flat 6 Boxster with aftermarket turbo, performance rubber and that thing is insanity pretending to be a car.

When I was younger Beck Spyder had a outlet down my street. He had a special extended version with a flat 6 mid engine and complete with "go to hell" 6 point N20 injection. My good friend who passed away racing his Camaro owned a Roadster shop in California, he had everything you could imagine on a fiberglass T-bucket, blown hemi... you get the picture. Going for a ride with him would take a year off your life.

Nice!

BlaqWhole · 02-06-2020, 04:11 AM

So these are the reasons why the Camaros were always more expensive than Mustangs. Because Ford cut corners and skimped out on their cars while GM made sure the Camaro was well equipped. And even at that, if you put aftermarket coolers on the Mustangs there is always the risk that a dealership will void the warranty. So I'm not sure why Ford even builds Mustangs like the PP2 then. Track tires, no extra coolers, if you put coolers on it you burn your warranty, if you race it on a track you burn your warranty, makes no sense.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 02-06-2020, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaveC113

Yeah, I just got a capable computer, is the Logitech G29 wheel and shifter for Grand Turismo the best place to start?

I think so, its one of the higher quality reasonably priced good wheels. Plus the g29 will work on Xbox games as well on a pc.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 02-06-2020, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

OK, you guys need to take this over to PM before I start spending money

Gets real exoensive when you start buying platform exclusive wheels for different consoles lol.. luckily the pedal and shifter assemblies were compatible with either Logitech.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 02-06-2020, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

Video games are one of my favorite ways to de-stress. A good game can help you forget all that stresses you.

In my old age i especially like racing games, no need to keep your fine joystick motor skills sharp, its basically muscle memory with a wheel set up.

During time off from work I spend half a day trying to shave tenths off of a lap time lol definitely gets your focus off of life for a few moments if thats what you want.

wnta1ss · 02-06-2020, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Nope top speed is still just bragging rights or maybe some people are taking stock cars to the salt flats??? haha
Even "professional roll racers" in "Mexico" don't need to go that fast, the race is over before 180mph.

Nope, it's not just bragging rights. Some of us do want to enjoy our cars this way, and there are some legal ways to do it, even in the USA. I personally have gone 170+ plenty of times on a track with my Camaro SS, and that is without a supercharger. Legit timed speeds is what I mean. There are some legal places, yes in the USA, where I'm confident that I could get 180+ even with the car in this form, and remember that the ZL1 has that 650hp supercharged engine. So 180+ would be a very attainable goal for a ZL1, I'd personally take the normal ZL1 with the A10 for this.

BlaqWhole · 02-06-2020, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Nope, it's not just bragging rights. Some of us do want to enjoy our cars this way, and there are some legal ways to do it, even in the USA. I personally have gone 170+ plenty of times on a track with my Camaro SS, and that is without a supercharger. Legit timed speeds is what I mean. There are some legal places, yes in the USA, where I'm confident that I could get 180+ even with the car in this form, and remember that the ZL1 has that 650hp supercharged engine. So 180+ would be a very attainable goal for a ZL1, I'd personally take the normal ZL1 with the A10 for this.

You can't tell some of these guys anything. Because they went to VIR and ran there so they know everything. There are lots of legal events throughout the country with road courses. One such I think the record is over 200 MPH. And you can attend these events in a minivan, pickup truck, fully built race car, whatever. As long as you pass safety inspections and have the proper equipment and pay the fee you can attend. Of course there are lots of other events as well but I can't talk about those, lol!!

minn19 · 02-06-2020, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Nope, it's not just bragging rights. Some of us do want to enjoy our cars this way, and there are some legal ways to do it, even in the USA. I personally have gone 170+ plenty of times on a track with my Camaro SS, and that is without a supercharger. Legit timed speeds is what I mean. There are some legal places, yes in the USA, where I'm confident that I could get 180+ even with the car in this form, and remember that the ZL1 has that 650hp supercharged engine. So 180+ would be a very attainable goal for a ZL1, I'd personally take the normal ZL1 with the A10 for this.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You can't tell some of these guys anything. Because they went to VIR and ran there so they know everything. There are lots of legal events throughout the country with road courses. One such I think the record is over 200 MPH. And you can attend these events in a minivan, pickup truck, fully built race car, whatever. As long as you pass safety inspections and have the proper equipment and pay the fee you can attend. Of course there are lots of other events as well but I can't talk about those, lol!!

What is your guys definition of road courses?

BlaqWhole · 02-06-2020, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by minn19

What is your guys definition of road courses?

I consider it to be an umbrella term encompassing most of racing.

Rodan · 02-06-2020, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I consider it to be an umbrella term encompassing most of racing.

Well, it's not.

You are talking about events on closed public roads (like the Silver State), and runways (standing 1/2 mile/mile etc), and conflating it with closed course road racing tracks, which is what most people mean when they're refering to "road courses".

At this point it's pretty obvious you're doing it deliberately to be argumentive. Please stop.

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BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	So these are the reasons why the Camaros were always more expensive than Mustangs. Because Ford cut corners and skimped out on their cars while GM made sure the Camaro was well equipped. And even at that, if you put aftermarket coolers on the Mustangs there is always the risk that a dealership will void the warranty. So I'm not sure why Ford even builds Mustangs like the PP2 then. Track tires, no extra coolers, if you put coolers on it you burn your warranty, if you race it on a track you burn your warranty, makes no sense.

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