[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Agree on the 720S and the safety thing would make sense.
No i posted my time slip to shut you up, not brag. I never submitted that slip to the fast list because in my category it's at the bottom of the list, certainly nothing to brag about.

What about your time slip makes you think that it would shut me up? LOL!! What am I missing here? I mean, everyone is saying that MPH tells the story right? My fastest MPH was 122 and my MPH on my best run was 121.27.

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Definitely less to the wheels than a ZL1. You're wrong on the cooling capacity though, i have one more charge air cooler than the ZL1 and all of the other coolers are the same as Callaway adds a ZL1 intercooler. However i believe one of the auxiliary rads is a secondary intercooler for the ZL1 while it is a 3rd radiator on the SS.

The ZL1 has 11 total coolers. In the owner's manual there are coolers that are standard on the ZL1 that are not available on the SS. Are you saying that the Calloway adds more to the SS and you have 12+?

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

More fuel, a better tune and i'll be in the 10s. That's my only straight line goal, 10.9999999 because I'm a road course guy that still has the F&F kid in me that wants to say one time I have a 10 second car. I hope you build your car to your goals, but those are mine and I'm not in a competition with you.
My competition is at Time Trials.

I've seen many people fall into the trap of thinking that they need this and that and they should be running X time. And I've seen lots of people spend lots of money hoping to be in the 10s. And some of these shops (or other drivers) will mislead people by saying stuff like "oh yea with your setup you should definitely be in the (insert time)" or "well if you do this then you'll definitely run (insert time)". Sometimes it pays off. But a lot of times they end up frustrated. I'm not trying to give you any advice but I would say that any improvement is good, even if it doesn't get you into the 10s.

10s are cool. Maybe I'll run a couple 10s in my ZL1 this Summer before I do the blower. I want to be one of the first in this area with a bone stock C8 in the 10s. Since these cars are already doing 11.1 and nobody is even trying to get one in the 10s I might as well do it. And ultimately my goal for the ZL1 is a 1000 + RWHP DD...and a 190+ MPH run on an event (yes it is 100% legal) that I would like to attend. For now like I said I'll settle for 10s with my mods (catback, cai, ported TB, VTC) and then 750 RWHP by the end of the year!! And no, I'm not talking about a damn video game, lol!!

For the record, quarter mile runs are not my thing and never have been. I do them just for the heck...or when someone is talking shit. I like high speed!! There is no better rush or thrill!! After seeing how fast cars like the 720S and Aventador are I am eager to see what GM does with the C8. I already plan to do a blower on my Z51 but I want to see how the Z06 and ZR1 turn out. If they are on the level of the 720S and can be had for around $110K to $130K then I'm game!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the 500 will beat the McClaren 720S at then?

This is what I want to know as well. The 720S blows past the GT500 at everything and from every speed. It runs 10.4 as tested. The GT500 hasn't run that fast even in private owner hands. And it clearly stands no chance around any track. So I'm not sure what he meant. Maybe he meant the GT500 can be modified to beat the McClaren??

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Just out of curiosity, what do you think the 500 will beat the McClaren 720S at then?

Maybe I missed the context of it, but it didn’t look like he was specifically talking about the 500 vs only the 720S. If so I’ll bow out as I haven’t looked at the 720S specs in a long time. To be honest, I don’t really care about that matchup as I have no desire or plans at looking at an exotic like that.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The ZL1 has 11 total coolers. In the owner's manual there are coolers that are standard on the ZL1 that are not available on the SS. Are you saying that the Calloway adds more to the SS and you have 12+?

The only coolers on the ZL1 that the SS doesn't have are the intercooler bricks in the supercharger.. because the SS doesn't have a supercharger.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What about your time slip makes you think that it would shut me up? LOL!! What am I missing here? I mean, everyone is saying that MPH tells the story right? My fastest MPH was 122 and my MPH on my best run was 121.27.

The ZL1 has 11 total coolers. In the owner's manual there are coolers that are standard on the ZL1 that are not available on the SS. Are you saying that the Calloway adds more to the SS and you have 12+?

I've seen many people fall into the trap of thinking that they need this and that and they should be running X time. And I've seen lots of people spend lots of money hoping to be in the 10s. And some of these shops (or other drivers) will mislead people by saying stuff like "oh yea with your setup you should definitely be in the (insert time)" or "well if you do this then you'll definitely run (insert time)". Sometimes it pays off. But a lot of times they end up frustrated. I'm not trying to give you any advice but I would say that any improvement is good, even if it doesn't get you into the 10s.

10s are cool. Maybe I'll run a couple 10s in my ZL1 this Summer before I do the blower. I want to be one of the first in this area with a bone stock C8 in the 10s. Since these cars are already doing 11.1 and nobody is even trying to get one in the 10s I might as well do it. And ultimately my goal for the ZL1 is a 1000 + RWHP DD...and a 190+ MPH run on an event (yes it is 100% legal) that I would like to attend. For now like I said I'll settle for 10s with my mods (catback, cai, ported TB, VTC) and then 750 RWHP by the end of the year!! And no, I'm not talking about a damn video game, lol!!

For the record, quarter mile runs are not my thing and never have been. I do them just for the heck...or when someone is talking shit. I like high speed!! There is no better rush or thrill!! After seeing how fast cars like the 720S and Aventador are I am eager to see what GM does with the C8. I already plan to do a blower on my Z51 but I want to see how the Z06 and ZR1 turn out. If they are on the level of the 720S and can be had for around $110K to $130K then I'm game!!

It worked to an extent, you realized I'm not a Mustang Fanboi, stopped talking down to me and my piddly 1SS, and we've actually had some decent conversation since then. Yes trap speed does tell the story and why I admitted that i don't think my car is faster than yours, I've just gotten it down the strip faster. Put some DRs on your car and let's see what it can do because it needs some TRACTION!

An SS has 8 coolers, the additional 3 on the ZL1 are Intercooler and 2 charge air coolers in the supercharger. (See bottom pic)https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-ride-review/ My supercharger has 3 charge air coolers.

I think a 10 will be easily achieved with what I said.

Hopefully the C8 will get into the 10s, but idk because the main reason we see all the times of the cars we've been arguing about in this thread dip into the 10s when they are rated mid 11s is once again good traction. It's been shown that the C8 doesn't have traction issues, so it will need more of something else (power, -DA, tailwind) to go faster, but you've already shown you don't believe in that. There will probably be a couple hero runs in the 10s just like the ZL1 fast list.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Not for nothing though, i put alot of Forza laps in a ZL1 on Watkins Glen before i went there for the first time, and my real laptime was within 2 seconds.


ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I put a lot of laps in on forza and gran turismo with a good wheel and shifter simulator set up. Without driving assists plus TC/SC off and realistic tires on it can be a very realistic experience. I always shoot to match Randys times at LS, VIR, big willow and streets of willow... ofcourse I have unlitmited laps and no fear of wrecking on my side lol

Originally Posted by Rodan

I have Forza with a Fanatec wheel/pedal setup, and it is a pretty decent simulator. I'm still trying to get the ZL1 dialed in... there's something a little off with the physics in F7.

It's a great way to get laps around a new track, and definitely shortens the learning curve when you get the real car there.

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

I have a cheap Ferrari wheel without force feedback, the good wheels are too expensive gaming for me. I will say in Forza the ZL1 without driving assists is uncontrollable and not even close to real life so I play with them on. Yeah, no fear of the walls in Forza either

Originally Posted by Laststandard

I've heard F7 isn't the best with force feedback. I just picked up a G920 setup but still need to build a racing stand for it, so haven't played around with it too much.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I agree, I prefer the car list, track list, and features of forza like the customization and drag racing for some side fun, but gran turismo has better physics and much better wheel incorporation. The zl1 1le in there has me on the fence about actuallly getting one lol.. pkus they recently added the LS track.

I have a Logitech g29 for GT and a g920 for Forza, very similar but the ps4 wheel has more inputs.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I got a used g920 for 100 bucks with the shifter on ebay lol.

I agree, the zl1 and camaros in general in forza kind of suck and aren't dialed in right. I put better times with an ss than with a mustang GT but they're just not enjoyable or behave realistic imo. The z06, acr, mustang gt, and gt350 feel great though imo.

In GT Sport they're much better and the zl1 1le is a dream to drive.

The gearing in GT seems to be a lot more accurate as well between manual and auto versions. All the ratios are usually spot on. Sometimes forza gets it right but dead wrong on some cars. C7 zr1 for example is a mess regarding the m7 gearing.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

It isn't, they've put out updates to better the experience but the default settings still aren't great, you'll have to fine tune it but once you do its pretty good. There's lots of good tutorials on youtube to get it decent enough.

GT Sport however is ready and plays amazing right out of the box in default settings.

OK, you guys need to take this over to PM before I start spending money

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

The only coolers on the ZL1 that the SS doesn't have are the intercooler bricks in the supercharger.. because the SS doesn't have a supercharger.

And I think the extra coolers, the Track Cooling Package with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers, is only on the 1LE. Not on the "plain" SS.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by minn19

Maybe I missed the context of it, but it didn’t look like he was specifically talking about the 500 vs only the 720S. If so I’ll bow out as I haven’t looked at the 720S specs in a long time. To be honest, I don’t really care about that matchup as I have no desire or plans at looking at an exotic like that.

I thought that the context was missed actually and you meant in general and vs the Camaro in your response, but I was also curious if you had a different view point at the same time.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by minn19

Maybe I missed the context of it, but it didn’t look like he was specifically talking about the 500 vs only the 720S. If so I’ll bow out as I haven’t looked at the 720S specs in a long time. To be honest, I don’t really care about that matchup as I have no desire or plans at looking at an exotic like that.

My comment was about the 720S. There is nothing that a stock GT500 can beat a 720S in.

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

It worked to an extent, you realized I'm not a Mustang Fanboi, stopped talking down to me and my piddly 1SS, and we've actually had some decent conversation since then.

Actually, no. I'm just tired the bickering nonsense. I do think you're a Mustang fanboy. I thought that from the minute you came over here talking shit to me. I never said anything bad about the SS. In fact, you took more offense to what I said about the GT500 and defended it more than what you thought I was talking about the SS. You sat here questioning me in personal aspects of my life, talking shit about what I ran at the track, and talking down to me. However I don't want this thread to get closed and that is where this was headed. So if this is what I gotta do to keep things civil then so be it. I'll do my part.

Edit: I'll concede that you are not that bad. You're ok...at best. Not as cool as shaffe but slightly more ok than newmoon on his bad days.

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Yes trap speed does tell the story and why I admitted that i don't think my car is faster than yours, I've just gotten it down the strip faster. Put some DRs on your car and let's see what it can do because it needs some TRACTION!

I have no desire to run DRs. At least not until I'm done with some heavy mods!!

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

An SS has 8 coolers, the additional 3 on the ZL1 are Intercooler and 2 charge air coolers in the supercharger. (See bottom pic)https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-ride-review/ My supercharger has 3 charge air coolers.

I was not aware of that. I have seen SS Camaros with blowers start to suffer from heat soak at the track and when racing while my ZL1 was perfectly fine. So maybe I mistakened venting for coolers. I do know that GM didn't change the front of the ZL1s when they did the refresh because they said the ZL1 had optimal cooling and they didn't want to alter that.

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

Hopefully the C8 will get into the 10s, but idk because the main reason we see all the times of the cars we've been arguing about in this thread dip into the 10s when they are rated mid 11s is once again good traction. It's been shown that the C8 doesn't have traction issues, so it will need more of something else (power, -DA, tailwind) to go faster, but you've already shown you don't believe in that. There will probably be a couple hero runs in the 10s just like the ZL1 fast list.

I'm saying that nobody has even tried yet. Or at least, nobody has made any mention of trying. When the car gets into the hands of the public I am pretty sure there will be lots of 10 sec runs bone stock...without a tailwind.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

OK, you guys need to take this over to PM before I start spending money

I agree. A new Whipple is starting to talk to me.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

And I think the extra coolers, the Track Cooling Package with engine oil, differential and transmission coolers, is only on the 1LE. Not on the "plain" SS.

SS coupes and ZR1 convertibles include diff and trans coolers.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

OK, you guys need to take this over to PM before I start spending money

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I agree. A new Whipple is starting to talk to me.

Pretty sure Jim was referring to the gaming setups, but I also agree with your comment.

Going to send my 243s on my Camaro away for some "touch up" work this spring.

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Pretty sure Jim was referring to the gaming setups, but I also agree with your comment.

Yeah, I just got a capable computer, is the Logitech G29 wheel and shifter for Grand Turismo the best place to start?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You're ok...at best. Not as cool as shaffe but slightly more ok than newmoon on his bad days.

I'm saying that nobody has even tried yet. Or at least, nobody has made any mention of trying. When the car gets into the hands of the public I am pretty sure there will be lots of 10 sec runs bone stock...without a tailwind.

First I think I found my new signature haha

And no one has tried yet with the C8 I think because they just started rolling off the assembly line. Other than the first few tests it was part of, no one has really done any other testing with them. I would be they are waiting to get a long term fleet car and then we will see some more tests.

Once they are in private owner hands, I know we will see tens