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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Lol, I did not know that. These graphics are too real. HAHAHA!!! Not ALL of those videos were video games were they?

No, but even though the graphics were fairly realistic, man, those shift points! Upshifting at 7600 rpm with a drop down to 6100? It would require some serious engine rebuild...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

It says Forza right in the title.

I posted several videos. That was just one. Easily my mistake which I owned up to. So let's just avoid the subject and focus on one video that I glazed over when I posted. Petty much?

Would it helped if I posted more videos of these cars going over 180 MPH? Or is the one that I mistakenly thought was real something that we should just continue to discuss?

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Why won't you just admit you lied about going 180+ on a road course?
it's not the worst lie in the world, but you're stretching it out and making yourself look like a silly goose.

if you haven't noticed there is not one person on here that believes you.
We are all wrong lots of times, but straight up lying is different.

LOL, sure.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Nice, what do you have done to your ss JA?

Judging by his time and speed I would say boost and a good tire. My trap speeds are right there with his if not slightly higher. I think I hit 122 but I don't remember. I gotta check my slips. I had a friend who was running right around the same times in a boosted SS on DRs but that was in the middle of Summer on some hot days. He was around mid to low 11s on a bad day and high 10s on a good day. That was with the E-Force blower. Also during those nights there were boosted GTs running around the same times. I would say AJ has a similar setup but I could be completely off.

I think it would be a good race, me against him. LOL! But I'm a shitty driver so I'd probably lose...

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Oh they're fast as shit off the line but there's a tiny bit of delay between releasing the brake pedal and going. He probably timed it well or you didn't cut a good light lol

Combination of both I would say. But I'm not taking anything away from him. Even if I was on point I still had no shot at keeping up.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I posted several videos. That was just one. Easily my mistake which I owned up to. So let's just avoid the subject and focus on one video that I glazed over when I posted. Petty much?

Would it helped if I posted more videos of these cars going over 180 MPH? Or is the one that I mistakenly thought was real something that we should just continue to discuss?

LOL, sure.

I don't think anyone says the ZL1 can't go over 180 though so not sure where you're going with that.
What you continue to hide from is the fact you lied about going over 180+ mph on a road course in your ZL1 and are having trouble admitting it.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

I don't think anyone says the ZL1 can't go over 180 though so not sure where you're going with that.
What you continue to hide from is the fact you lied about going over 180+ mph on a road course in your ZL1 and are having trouble admitting it.

Why is the GT500 limited to 180 MPH?

Road & Track
"Ford famously claimed that the 2013 Shelby GT500 was good for 200 mph in a straight line. That car had 662 supercharged horsepower, so you might think that the 2020 GT500, with its 700-plus hp could go even faster, but that won't be the case. Our colleagues at Car and Driver report that Ford has decided to limit the new GT500 to 180 mph.

Why? Well, it costs a lot to engineer a car to do 200 mph, and Ford thought it'd be wiser to engineer a new dual-clutch transmission and develop a high-downforce aero package for the car. Ford Performance wants the new GT500 to dominate at the drag strip and on a road course, and for that, exceeding 180 mph apparently isn't necessary."

Motor1
"There is method to the madness. For starters, Ford has significantly recast the new GT500 has a corner-carving dynamo, and that affects top speed. To help showcase that capability, Ford’s latest GT500 press release talks about the extensive testing and development that took place, including the use of supercomputers and 3D models to study airflow cooling for the engine and brakes, not to mention added downforce for all GT500 trim levels."

So not only is it limited to 180, it also does not do what Ford designed it to do. And it lost around a track to a car that DOES do 200 MPH. LOL!!

But anyway, as said, it costs a lot to engineer a car that can go 200 MPH. So did Ford take a short cut? I wonder, if they actually did take the time to engineer it properly, would they still have set a limiter? And would it have been able to beat the ZLE? Because apparently they built the car with a focus on handling. So something is off with this.

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So when is Ford going to release the track capable version of the GT500?

[jeep_junkie]

Originally Posted by Stevezx900

This was the best comparison of the three cars I have seen yet. They actually used a regular ZL1 A10 for dig racing.
But the ZL1 won in 2/3 categories and is $20,000 cheaper than both cars fully loaded.

I think the clear winner is the ZL1 here.

Originally Posted by shaffe

You want to talk about GT500 advantages, they brought a different Camaro for the 1/4 test because they said the 1LE had no chance lol.

Well, here's the ZL1 1LE beating the GT500 in a drag race too. These are the same cars from the Throttle House video BTW.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Why is the GT500 limited to 180 MPH?

Road & Track
"Ford famously claimed that the 2013 Shelby GT500 was good for 200 mph in a straight line. That car had 662 supercharged horsepower, so you might think that the 2020 GT500, with its 700-plus hp could go even faster, but that won't be the case. Our colleagues at Car and Driver report that Ford has decided to limit the new GT500 to 180 mph.

Why? Well, it costs a lot to engineer a car to do 200 mph, and Ford thought it'd be wiser to engineer a new dual-clutch transmission and develop a high-downforce aero package for the car. Ford Performance wants the new GT500 to dominate at the drag strip and on a road course, and for that, exceeding 180 mph apparently isn't necessary."

Motor1
"There is method to the madness. For starters, Ford has significantly recast the new GT500 has a corner-carving dynamo, and that affects top speed. To help showcase that capability, Ford’s latest GT500 press release talks about the extensive testing and development that took place, including the use of supercomputers and 3D models to study airflow cooling for the engine and brakes, not to mention added downforce for all GT500 trim levels."

So not only is it limited to 180, it also does not do what Ford designed it to do. And it lost around a track to a car that DOES do 200 MPH. LOL!!

But anyway, as said, it costs a lot to engineer a car that can go 200 MPH. So did Ford take a short cut? I wonder, if they actually did take the time to engineer it properly, would they still have set a limiter? And would it have been able to beat the ZLE? Because apparently they built the car with a focus on handling. So something is off with this.

Probably because the GT500 is shaped like a brick in the wind, weighs over 4,000 lbs and maybe the gearing they went with has some say in there.

We all know exceeding 180mph on any road course in America is not necessary at all.

But of course morons will be morons and pretend their nearest highway is a racetrack.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Probably because the GT500 is shaped like a brick in the wind, weighs over 4,000 lbs and maybe the gearing they went with has some say in there.

The Hellcat is heavier than that and isn't the most aerodynamic vehicle on the road. Ford claims to have done extensive wind testing. So I doubt it is that bad like you claim...

Originally Posted by TreedYou

We all know exceeding 180mph on any road course in America is not necessary at all.

Maybe for those who can't do it...

Originally Posted by TreedYou

But of course morons will be morons and pretend their nearest highway is a racetrack.

You do realize, of course, that some roads can be rented...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by jeep_junkie

Well, here's the ZL1 1LE beating the GT500 in a drag race too. These are the same cars from the Throttle House video BTW.

That was when they discovered that the GT500 has a 1 second delay...

I think as more tests come out we're gonna see even more disappointment. We've been saying that when tested alone the Mustangs are very impressive. But when side by side with a Camaro, not soo much so. And I think that is proving to be true. The 1st articles were all raving about the Shelby. And that was when it was tested alone. As soon as it pulled up next to the ZL1 and ZLE everyone started to see that it isn't as fast as people think. There are still a few more tests I would like to see. But at this point I think we all know the outcome. If Ford isn't even trying (sending the car out on worn tires) and if it can't beat any of the underpowered cars it has faced (even in a subjective comparison against a WRX STi then why even bother putting it up against others?


https://www.motor1.com/news/394592/s...20s-drag-race/
Supercar Killer right here.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

https://www.motor1.com/news/394592/s...20s-drag-race/
Supercar Killer right here.

I will take a page out of your book on this one, ehem...


"Pfft the McClaren 720s is a 300k car and ONLY beats the GT500 in the 1/4 mile by 0.6 to 1 second!? you can literally buy 4 GT500's for that price!
The performance value is not there! How can is only beat the GT500 by a second or less!? did McClaren miss the mark at the factory?"

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Probably because the GT500 is shaped like a brick in the wind, weighs over 4,000 lbs and maybe the gearing they went with has some say in there.

We all know exceeding 180mph on any road course in America is not necessary at all.

But of course morons will be morons and pretend their nearest highway is a racetrack.

I agree that going above 180 on a roadcourse isn't happening anytime soon, and not a necessity there, but this is still a pretty weak reason as to why it was limited.

There is no good reason, there's logical reasons but none of them are acceptable for a 100k 760hp halo car imo.

Just as embarrassing as the m6 camaro zl1 being limited to 180 or 178 due to gearing, but atleast the a10 goes around 200 and the m6 zle supposedly 190ish.

But but but the acr only went 175 or so, yea and other viper models exceeded that.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I agree on the camaro and challenger launch control being garbage but the gt500s seems to be good, the records at the strip in stock cars have been done with LC.
I do think most owners will get used to the delay like anything but it's still another thing to worry about that will hurt in cutting a good light. Timing will be key.
Still..
GTRs are still notoriously slow at the light and don't have quite as long of a delay imo.

Right, the GT500s launch control is actually good, but the delay is garbage.

Originally Posted by Laststandard

You're posting a video game, you know that right?

This is just too good now we know he hit 180 playing Forza

Not for nothing though, i put alot of Forza laps in a ZL1 on Watkins Glen before i went there for the first time, and my real laptime was within 2 seconds.

Originally Posted by TreedYou

It says Forza right in the title.
Why won't you just admit you lied about going 180+ on a road course?
it's not the worst lie in the world, but you're stretching it out and making yourself look like a silly goose.
if you haven't noticed there is not one person on here that believes you.
We are all wrong lots of times, but straight up lying is different.

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

I'm aware that some road course guys have an attitude about the word 'track', but I don't agree that attitude is 'particular'. I would instead say that attitude is narrow-minded. Don't mistake me for a road course hater either, as I have run cars on multiple types of tracks, including road courses.

As far as that no one should be concerned with top speed stuff, that is not true. Some of us might want to run at different tracks or venues than you do, and our desires from a car are just as valid as yours are. The attitude that you never intend to even try for it, so therefore it does not matter and we should not care about it, is, again, narrow-minded. It's one aspect of the vehicle's performance, and dismissing it totally would be like someone saying that the vehicle's handling, or stopping, or acceleration doesn't matter, just because that person doesn't intend to use one of those aspects of the car's ability. Individual not caring is one thing, and fine for them, but it does not translate to nobody else should care about it.

I agree on the track thing kinda, but it makes it much easier to distinguish what you are talking about if you just say track and strip. A drag strip is absolutely a track, but a track day at a drag strip is not a track day in the road course scene...

Nope top speed is still just bragging rights or maybe some people are taking stock cars to the salt flats??? haha
Even "professional roll racers" in "Mexico" don't need to go that fast, the race is over before 180mph.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

I will take a page out of your book on this one, ehem...


"Pfft the McClaren 720s is a 300k car and ONLY beats the GT500 in the 1/4 mile by 0.6 to 1 second!? you can literally buy 4 GT500's for that price!
The performance value is not there! How can is only beat the GT500 by a second or less!? did McClaren miss the mark at the factory?"

I would say the spread is larger than that. There's been stock 9 second 720s and quite a few gt500s above 11 seconds at the strip and street.

Also not a great example because I don't think the cheaper gt500 beats the 720s at a single thing. Which you can say for the cheaper cars the gt500 has been compared against.

Just saying lol