[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

https://youtu.be/1KTA9ilfOO8

If I remember correctly, they were saying it's a 2.5" pulley swap, larger injectors, exhaust (headers back or cat back unknown), and a tune.

It was on a FB post that I can't find. Can anyone confirm?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by rocket403

To take this on a tangent once again, the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger are 50k 60k and 70k plus minus and the Challenger is selling but does not offer a Vert.
If they had a Vert would they sell that much more? I remember about 6 years ago they had a Vert mule that they were testing but the platform did not lend itself to being able to support it.

I would think it was the cost analysis or weight that prevented FCA from offering it.

I remember that. I think it was a combination of cost and weight. In order to sure up the chassis sans roof, the engineering and material cost was very high and the weight of all the added bracing made it way to heavy and compromised other characteristics.

I think a convertible Challenger, properly executed, would have been hard to keep on the lots. So many Challengers are casually driven as opposed to competitively driven that I think the “I have a cool car” factor would have been amped up just that much more.

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I think a convertible Challenger, properly executed, would have been hard to keep on the lots. So many Challengers are casually driven as opposed to competitively driven that I think the “I have a cool car” factor would have been amped up just that much more.

+1

A ragtop Hellcat would sell like hotcakes.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Rodan

+1

A ragtop Hellcat would sell like hotcakes.

I think it would look pretty cool too, with the big back seats they have.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'm always the first mention the fact that auto cars require no skill to drive aside from perhaps some throttle feathering, but regardless the launch matters. Whether thats attributed to the surface, level of prep, or launch RPM.

So you can say that but there's a reason gt500s will run 10.6s to 11.6s on prepped drag strips. The launch and prep of the car prior has an effect.

Well traction being a problem on any high horsepower car on the planet is a very common thing. I don't think that is a shock to anyone ever. But launch control helps with that as well, not perfect but it's not very difficult to just lower the RPM and keep your foot down again.

And of course density altitude and temperature on different tracks across the world plays a role in drag strip times.
I've been racing at the drag strip about 15 years now, that stuff matters.
And I've seen literally every model car have traction issues if it's making decent power, that's just a give-in.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

To be fair tho, and I can't believe I'm sticking up for the GT500, if you're only considering the performance, then you have to go by what the car costs without the add ons. See when they tested the C8 against the 500s they optioned up the Vette and said it was comparable even tho it was basically $65K worth of performance and the rest of the money was thrown into stuff like heated seats etc. I said that was unfair. Likewise, if you're looking at the performance, then you have to go by $73K. The fact that the ZLE comes with a lot of standard features that has to be optioned in on the 500 does not take away that in a performance comparison it is a $73K vehicle. If you're looking at overall value for the price, not just performance but everything, then yes, the extra $16K you'd have to spend on the 500 is a bit much. But that is because the ZL1 is just that good. So the 500 is a bit faster in a straight line. Is it $16K faster? Does it make the ZL1 feel slow? Not at all. The ZL1 is still fast as fcuk regardless.

Hey Blaqhole, here are 4 passes on a 1600 DA day with the GT500 and the guys passes were 11.3 to 11.6 not very good. I have been saying all along, the 2020 Gt500 will only run in the low 11's on average DA days and average track prep.

[bradmo9]

Track was garbage, gtr was spinning most the way down the track.

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Or.....

+1 Hell yeah, brother!


OK everybody say it with me now:

Six-Hundred Fifty Horsepower Convertible!

[Evansa22]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

Track was garbage, gtr was spinning most the way down the track.

Must've not been too bad, that zl1 ran 11.1. We have no info on mods for any of those cars so who knows. That gtr could've been pushing over 1000hp which is why it had traction issues. Unless you saw other clues that would lead to your conclusion? I'm honestly asking because I'm not a drag racer and my eye wouldn't catch them.
Good for SP, he seems to be putting up a lot of content with the 500 helping to answer some of the unknowns we've been wondering about

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

With the automatics these days and launch control all you really have to do is let the pedal go and hold on.

There really is no skill required, if you can hold the steering wheel straight and your right foot works you can take an automatic down the strip.
The only "driver mod" that could possibly make a difference is how much they weigh, let a 110lb teenager take your car down the strip for a new record lol

Maybe on the cars you own. But take a high powered car out one day and try this nonsense and let me know how it turns out. I'd love to see you try. Just please make sure nobody or no other people's property is near you when you do this.

BTW, the GT500 is an auto. Why is it running soo shitty??

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

You are absolutely delusional and know nothing about track driving...


Oh wait, you're just drunk 24/7, now all your posts make sense.


Do you open your sunroof alot when you hit 180mph so often???


Again you keep saying conditions when it's only 1 condition that will matter and it's traction. You also keep talking about 180mph. If the GT500 is 4 seconds ahead at 150 it will probably be 10 seconds ahead at 180 and it is going to take you another minute for the ZL1 to get past it. But your road course probably allows for that i guess. Does your road course allow you to bring the bottle with you out on the track?



Robby nailed it again.

Sure bro.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Hey Blaqhole, here are 4 passes on a 1600 DA day with the GT500 and the guys passes were 11.3 to 11.6 not very good. I have been saying all along, the 2020 Gt500 will only run in the low 11's on average DA days and average track prep.

Exactly.

These damn cars are soo inconsistent. I swear I've never seen a car with such a wide variance before in my life. My SS varied between 12.8 and 13.1 and that was a manual trans. If I screwed up it was a 13.3. That is a 5 tenths difference with driver error. Each time I took my ZL1 out the times varied by only 2 tenths max. So HTF is the Mustang varying by over a full second in some of these cases? LOL!! I'm starting to wonder if there is something messed up on these things mechanically or something in the tune or maybe the TC/LC is faulty or something. There's gotta be something wrong with these cars.

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

If I remember correctly, they were saying it's a 2.5" pulley swap, larger injectors, exhaust (headers back or cat back unknown), and a tune.

It was on a FB post that I can't find. Can anyone confirm?

He probably "forgot" to mention some of the mods...good luck finding that info.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Well traction being a problem on any high horsepower car on the planet is a very common thing. I don't think that is a shock to anyone ever. But launch control helps with that as well, not perfect but it's not very difficult to just lower the RPM and keep your foot down again.

And of course density altitude and temperature on different tracks across the world plays a role in drag strip times.
I've been racing at the drag strip about 15 years now, that stuff matters.
And I've seen literally every model car have traction issues if it's making decent power, that's just a give-in.

Launch control helps on some cars, like the gt500, if you've been racing that long you know a lot of these cars are still being foot braked.

We can keep going around in circles, track prep matters, car prep matters, and environmental conditions matter, and so does the launch. Launching auto cars is a lot easier than stick cars but there's still a slight skill curve there to the throttle and adjusting for the track you're at. If not everyone of these auto cars would be getting consistently similar 60 foots but that's just not the case.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Hey Blaqhole, here are 4 passes on a 1600 DA day with the GT500 and the guys passes were 11.3 to 11.6 not very good. I have been saying all along, the 2020 Gt500 will only run in the low 11's on average DA days and average track prep.

Palm beach dyno's stock car was running 11.6s too... at the strip, you know the place where it's a 10.6 car all day according to some.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Well traction being a problem on any high horsepower car on the planet is a very common thing. I don't think that is a shock to anyone ever. But launch control helps with that as well, not perfect but it's not very difficult to just lower the RPM and keep your foot down again.

And of course density altitude and temperature on different tracks across the world plays a role in drag strip times.
I've been racing at the drag strip about 15 years now, that stuff matters.
And I've seen literally every model car have traction issues if it's making decent power, that's just a give-in.

You are completely forgetting about how well a car puts power down to the ground. GM cars (Corvette and Camaro) have been running half shafts that are a different size and thickness such that if you devide one size by the other, you get an irrational number. That way, it eliminates any standing wave harmonic oscilations from the flex in the driveline. It pretty much eliminates wheel hop, giving much better launch traction. Not sure if Ford finally figured this out, but it wasn't in the original S550 cars.

Also, many of the GM cars have an eLSD, which uses the computer to detect slip and re-direct power. It works significantly better than any mechanical diff. The GT500 doesn't have an eLSD, just a Torsen.

Also, the computer changing the damping on the Magnetic Ride Control (or Magneride in Ford speak) helps keep the car flat durring launch. GM has been much better at tuning MRC than anyone else.

Then there is weight distribution, etc...

There are many more factors than just how much power there is and how much grip the tires provide when it comes to launch...

Once Ford came out with the last generation of GT500 (2010-2014), it became obvious to most manufacturers that making power was now easy, getting that power down to the ground and dealing with heat issues became much more important that gobs of power. GM figured that out early, Ford, not so much...