[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You mean the gt500 or mustangs in general? Thought no s550 had a sun roof option? Not that I care, sun roofs don't do anytbing for me either.... bring back t tops or Targa tops lol

Or.....

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You mean the gt500 or mustangs in general? Thought no s550 had a sun roof option? Not that I care, sun roofs don't do anytbing for me either.... bring back t tops or Targa tops lol

There is no sunroof option on any Mustang. It is weird. It's the only vehicle Ford makes without a sunroof

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I wonder if this is a function of those cars reaching the chassis limits for their version of front engine rear drive, just like C7 has reached GM's limits for front engine rear drive? Could it but that GM tipped that line in development of C7 and then dialed it back a notch. Then went balls out for C8? Might also explain Ford's speed limiter on GT500 top end. Could it be that they are concerned about hitting a point where the powertrain exceeds the capability of the chassis?

That is a good point.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Yea launch matters and when the cars are without half a second of each other or so, it's anyone's race.

With the automatics these days and launch control all you really have to do is let the pedal go and hold on.

There really is no skill required, if you can hold the steering wheel straight and your right foot works you can take an automatic down the strip.
The only "driver mod" that could possibly make a difference is how much they weigh, let a 110lb teenager take your car down the strip for a new record lol

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by shaffe

There is no sunroof option on any Mustang. It is weird. It's the only vehicle Ford makes without a sunroof



That is a good point.

They also don't make any Halo convertibles either. A GT500 convertible would be awesome.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

With the automatics these days and launch control all you really have to do is let the pedal go and hold on.

There really is no skill required, if you can hold the steering wheel straight and your right foot works you can take an automatic down the strip.
The only "driver mod" that could possibly make a difference is how much they weigh, let a 110lb teenager take your car down the strip for a new record lol

I'm always the first mention the fact that auto cars require no skill to drive aside from perhaps some throttle feathering, but regardless the launch matters. Whether thats attributed to the surface, level of prep, or launch RPM.

So you can say that but there's a reason gt500s will run 10.6s to 11.6s on prepped drag strips. The launch and prep of the car prior has an effect.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Or.....

Not for me.. except in Miatas lol.. but I'm glad they're an option for those that prefer verts.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Not for me.. except in Miatas lol.. but I'm glad they're an option for those that prefer verts.

When I was shopping I was really bummed that there was not a 1LE Vert. I totally understand why there isn’t, but then I looked at the ZL1 Vert and thought “a 1LE is basically a ZL1 without the supercharger and the big grille”. Then I fell back to reality and bought the SS Vert.

But then I was also bummed that there was not a Fifty in ZL1 trim.

[rocket403]

When I was 17 I picked up a 71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible I really liked the car and found out that I liked the idea of a Vert more than I liked owning one. In the end I ended up back in a 71 Cutlass Supreme W25 Ram Air Hardtop.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by rocket403

When I was 17 I picked up a 71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible I really liked the car and found out that I liked the idea of a Vert more than I liked owning one. In the end I ended up back in a 71 Cutlass Supreme W25 Ram Air Hardtop.

Clearly my inner 17-yr old won out. But earlier today I was on the CamaroFest registration page, once again frustrated at the fact that I will not be able to drive on NCM road course.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You are correct. The tracks you run at are definitely a lot slower than the road courses I've raced at. That much is for certain. Stay on your tracks and I'll stick to mine.

You are absolutely delusional and know nothing about track driving...

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Whoa. I actually gave some credit to a Mustang. This JD Tennessee Honey must be hittin different tonight.

Oh wait, you're just drunk 24/7, now all your posts make sense.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I do believe that there are a handful of dealerships offering the Base 500 at MSRP. However your chances of finding them and getting to the car before someone else snatches it up are slim to none. With that said, if the Base 500 came with sunroof option, heated/cooled seats, Nav, heated steering wheel, BLIS, and no speed limiter...all at MSRP for $74K no bullshit no haggle, then I would buy one. I think Ford is stupid for still making their cars without a sunroof option in 2020. Especially at what these cars cost. You can option in a sunroof on the competitor's cars and still be cheaper. The speed limiter has been my gripe since I heard about it. I just can't do it. Even if I could get past a solid roof, the limiter is just too much.

Do you open your sunroof alot when you hit 180mph so often???

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Exactly. There are faster cars that are always going to be faster with equal drivers regardless of conditions. I'd say the Z06 is a faster car than the ZL1 is. Als the ZR1. However there are faster cars that are faster ONLY if certain conditions are met. Hellcats and the GT500 fall into that category. The GT500 and Hellcat will always be faster than the ZL1 when the conditions permit. However outside of those conditions the ZL1 can definitely beat both of those cars. The 500 and HC will eventually catch it. But you'll be north of 120 MPH before that happens. And one of those cars will carry that lead all the way while the other one will get gapped around 181...

Again you keep saying conditions when it's only 1 condition that will matter and it's traction. You also keep talking about 180mph. If the GT500 is 4 seconds ahead at 150 it will probably be 10 seconds ahead at 180 and it is going to take you another minute for the ZL1 to get past it. But your road course probably allows for that i guess. Does your road course allow you to bring the bottle with you out on the track?

Originally Posted by TreedYou

With the automatics these days and launch control all you really have to do is let the pedal go and hold on.
There really is no skill required, if you can hold the steering wheel straight and your right foot works you can take an automatic down the strip.
The only "driver mod" that could possibly make a difference is how much they weigh, let a 110lb teenager take your car down the strip for a new record lol

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'm always the first mention the fact that auto cars require no skill to drive aside from perhaps some throttle feathering, but regardless the launch matters. Whether thats attributed to the surface, level of prep, or launch RPM.
So you can say that but there's a reason gt500s will run 10.6s to 11.6s on prepped drag strips. The launch and prep of the car prior has an effect.

Robby nailed it again.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

When I was shopping I was really bummed that there was not a 1LE Vert. I totally understand why there isn’t, but then I looked at the ZL1 Vert and thought “a 1LE is basically a ZL1 without the supercharger and the big grille”. Then I fell back to reality and bought the SS Vert.

But then I was also bummed that there was not a Fifty in ZL1 trim.

I get why there isn't an ss 1le vert, but like yourself when I look at the zl1 vert I can see how there could be an SS 1le vert lol... at least it's not so hard to replicate the look for those that really want it.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

You are absolutely delusional and know nothing about track driving...


Oh wait, you're just drunk 24/7, now all your posts make sense.


Do you open your sunroof alot when you hit 180mph so often???


Again you keep saying conditions when it's only 1 condition that will matter and it's traction. You also keep talking about 180mph. If the GT500 is 4 seconds ahead at 150 it will probably be 10 seconds ahead at 180 and it is going to take you another minute for the ZL1 to get past it. But your road course probably allows for that i guess. Does your road course allow you to bring the bottle with you out on the track?



Robby nailed it again.

Thanks JA, I try my best lol

[rocket403]

To take this on a tangent once again, the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger are 50k 60k and 70k plus minus and the Challenger is selling but does not offer a Vert.
If they had a Vert would they sell that much more? I remember about 6 years ago they had a Vert mule that they were testing but the platform did not lend itself to being able to support it.

I would think it was the cost analysis or weight that prevented FCA from offering it.

[bradmo9]

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