[Lafourche1]

I think they even talk about some track time in the comparison. There is only a line or two and not much to draw on. Still looking at the Road & Track with the WRX STI and GT500 on the cover.

Can someone please take a ZL1, any ZL1 and a GT500 to a road course, any road course?

[BlaqWhole]

"There's a lot we love about the GT500—the ride quality, interior design, and its more sophisticated powertrain—but the more affordable ZL1 1LE manages to match or surpass the Shelby's performance while offering a much longer list of features. Spend the stack of money saved on gas and Goodyears. You're going to need them."

This here is what I am interested in most of all. I want to see how the performance stats translate on the track. It can be assumed based off this that the ZLE outperforms the CF 500. So if the only performance win that Ford can claim is a 1 tenth of a second difference then that extra $20K+ and those 6 years of waiting is all worthless.

[13vertss]

This part is what surprised me considering how long it took to get the gt500 out.


Unfortunately, the Mustang's steering is numb compared to the Camaro's, and its chassis isn't as sorted. The ZL1 is more stable, and it puts its power down better with its wider rubber, a more sophisticated traction-control system, and an excellent electronic limited-slip differential. Toss it around, and the Shelby feels smaller and lighter than it is, but it's also a bit skittish and less forgiving. It always feels like one false move, one mistake, one miscalculation, and you could easily end up in a ditch.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Again, it isn't just one factor but several factors. Some strips do not prep as well. Then there is different DA. Those all are factors. Did I not already say that?

I was in debate mode because of others...sorry bout that.


No. Incorrect. Different engine setups and power adder setups are affected differently. Cars with a better design, better cooling, better factory tuning, differences in eLSD, etc all play a role. Some engines heat soak worse than others.

For an example, look at the 370Zs. They have very inefficient oil cooling and are known to go into limp mode pretty easily. A Camaro SS would not have that same issue. Put both cars on a drag strip in the middle of July and I will bet you that the 350Z will go into limp mode and run 14s while the SS will still run pretty damn well.


If you look at my comment you would see that I used results from what the manufacturers claim and what we are seeing during testing. I then used what we have seen from the best runs. However I will omit all individual owner runs.

The 500 in testing has been stuck in the 11.3-11.5 range during testing. Ford claims that in ideal conditions it will do 10.7. So that is almost a full second. That is going by the Base 500 only. 10.7 to 11.5. On the other hand GM claims either 11.3 or 11.4 for the ZL1. I do not remember which. So I will use 11.3 to give it a wider range so as to be fair. And so nobody can accuse me of giving it the better range. Anyway. In testing we have seen the standard ZL1 anywhere from 11.4 to 11.6. That is a difference of 2 to 3 tenths. So there is a much wider variance with the 500 than there is with the ZL1.

Here is another recent example of the GT500 running 11.4 compared to a ZL1 1LE running 11.5 same day same place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...N?ocid=U452DHP

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by hotlap

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...amaro-zl1-1le/

This was posted in the main section of Camaro6

TreedYou isn't going to like this.

Why wouldn't I like that? That's awesome!
Where did you get that I don't think the Z is a beast?
I cant like two cars from different manufacturers?

You will not find one post of me saying anything negative about the ZL1 so your ASSumption backfires 👍👌

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Here is another recent example of the GT500 running 11.4 compared to a ZL1 1LE running 11.5 same day same place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...N?ocid=U452DHP

It just goes to show how much time and effort GM put into the 6th Gen Camaro...and the C7 Vettes...and the C8 Vettes. This win is a slap in the face to the Ford crowd. They could not overcome the ZL1. And to think that GM didn't even bother changing anything. Imagine if they actually did improve the ZL1. Imagine if they had pushed it to 675 or even 700 HP. And just think what GM has lurking around the corner. If the current ZL1 is THIS good, then imagine what's to come.

Not for nothin tho, I will say that the Mustangs are not bad. As is often repeated here, they are ok...it's just that the Camaro is soo good that the Mustangs look bad when they are compared.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Why wouldn't I like that? That's awesome!
Where did you get that I don't think the Z is a beast?
I cant like two cars from different manufacturers?

You will not find one post of me saying anything negative about the ZL1 so your ASSumption backfires ����

They mentioned cost/value in their critique. You hate that ...Brotha.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Why wouldn't I like that? That's awesome!
Where did you get that I don't think the Z is a beast?
I cant like two cars from different manufacturers?

You will not find one post of me saying anything negative about the ZL1 so your ASSumption backfires 👍👌

Dude, we all know your game by now. You're not the first one to try this nonsense. You came over here from the start trying to pick a fight. And things did not go your way. Now all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're all ecstatic and shit? LOL!! You've been debating me and arguing and acting cocky and talking down since you joined. And now you've got a huge ole slice of humble pie to eat. Enjoy.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Here is another recent example of the GT500 running 11.4 compared to a ZL1 1LE running 11.5 same day same place.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...N?ocid=U452DHP

That's referencing the same exact Car and Driver test / data. I just wanted to point out that that wasn't a separate test.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by hotlap

They mentioned cost/value in their critique. You hate that ...Brotha.

What does that have to do with liking the zl1?
I think you created a narrative in your head.

You know it's ok to like two different cars right? Its not a gang.

Again, ZL1 is a beast good luck trying to imagine I dont like the car.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Dude, we all know your game by now. You're not the first one to try this nonsense. You came over here from the start trying to pick a fight. And things did not go your way. Now all of a sudden we're supposed to believe you're all ecstatic and shit? LOL!! You've been debating me and arguing and acting cocky and talking down since you joined. And now you've got a huge ole slice of humble pie to eat. Enjoy.

Please show me where I said anything negative about the ZL1... hard fail brosephine.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I just don't see any ZL1 besting the GT500 side by side unless there is an error or failure of some kind for the GT500. It's simply the faster car in a straight line as it should be some 5 years later, additional 110hp, and DCT (can't get over that terrible Ram 1500 gear selector to this day).

The gt500 is the faster car, trap speed is undeniable proof of that, but they have both been tested as 11.5 cars on unprepped surfaces. That's a fact.

Faster car doesn't always win, while we have seen 10.6s - 10.8s, we have also seen mid 11s even on a prepped surface. Couple that with the gt500s delayed reaction launch control and it's conceivable that the slower car could win a few it wasn't supposed to.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by minn19

Please please go repeat this post in this M6G in this thread. I double dog dare you.

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ro-zl1.134714/

There's "no prep" races at drag strips, and whether you agree or not, people street race all the time.

I agree with you about driver skill no being much of a factor in these auto cara, but as we've seen by wildly varying times by all these cars, the launch matters and if you can hook up or not can make a substantial difference in ET.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Please show me where I said anything negative about the ZL1... hard fail brosephine.

I never said you did pal. Hard fail right back at you.

So yea, looks like the 500 was not all it was cracked up to be. It has every advantage and, like I said all along, still manages to lose at more than it wins at. And at $94K, LOL!! So basically, if you want to beat a ZL1 by 1 tenth of a second in the quarter but lose at everything else then the GT500 has your ticket.