12-30-2019, 08:13 AM | #5741 | |
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12-30-2019, 08:21 AM | #5742 | |
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Here is another one from Ford. ".....a driving experience once reserved only for exotic supercars." https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...lby-gt500.html I remember Ford trying to talk up the GT350R against I think about a GT3 in downforce etc etc. There marketing team has been pushing the "supercar" narrative for a few years now. |
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12-30-2019, 08:24 AM | #5743 |
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I've called both the ZL1 and new GT500 supercars. I think if the lowest trim levels never existed, many people would consider them supercars... maybe "entry level" supercars?
Either way, they have supercar level performance given they aren't far from the C7 Z06 numbers. If a C7Z is not considered a supercar then I'm just off on my definitions (might be). |
12-30-2019, 08:30 AM | #5744 | |
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12-30-2019, 08:43 AM | #5745 | |
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Quick story from Ford GT350 Track Attack and marketing. Don't get me wrong, it is awesome that Ford does this and I wish Chevy did, but all it is is one big marketing event. Any way, early on you could tell the fanboys from the more savvy/realistic/jaded owners like myself. In the morning briefing about how the day was going to go, one of the main instructors said that Ford gave us a race car. A few of us chuckled and know that any stock GT350, R or not is not a race car and Ford didn't "give us" anything. But, when you looked around the room could see some guys were legit aroused. So marketing obviously works on some to either attract or keep customers. Again, other than that the TA event was awesome and I really wish Chev did something similar with the ZL1s. |
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12-30-2019, 09:00 AM | #5746 | |
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Yeah, it's so entertaining watching the cult members (of every brand - it used to be Corvette for me) |
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12-30-2019, 09:05 AM | #5747 | |
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12-30-2019, 09:17 AM | #5748 | |
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TA was "free" except for transportation/lodging etc. I'm sure it is built into the cost of the car somewhere. I also got a "free" track day voucher from BMW for my M4 CS. Regardless, it does look cool and when they get ZL1s up there I'll definitely look at going. |
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12-30-2019, 09:17 AM | #5749 | |
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I can see the appeal for both with no wrong answer despite all the smoke from both sides. Neither is ideal the C8 will run great at the track but requires track adjustment, 500 runs great at the strip but requires good track prep and conditions.
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12-30-2019, 09:21 AM | #5750 | |
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Edit: Plus I still don't believe the GT500 wasn't in some sort of track alignment for the test. Just because they don't mention it, doesn't mean it wasn't. |
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12-30-2019, 09:57 AM | #5751 |
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Like the Mustangs weren't track aligned, but had roll cages...
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12-30-2019, 09:58 AM | #5752 | |
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I'd also paused during my lapping to mention the understeer to a Corvette engineer who was watching track-side—and he looked slightly frustrated. "That's easy to adjust" he sighed. Easy, that is, if you have a lift handy (as well as the know-how). Of course, we're always fiddling with a test car's driver-accessible software settings during testing (and tire pressures during lapping). But that's as far as we go in altering things; after all, we want our numbers to reflect how the car is sold to customers.
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12-30-2019, 10:08 AM | #5753 | |
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MT also dynoed the Vette claiming the LT2 made 600 plus HP/TQ and then retracted it saying they set the test up wrong. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020...c8-power-dyno/ https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...ults-followup/ You can believe that Ford came to them in complete street alignment, which is fine, but I and most neutral observers (I'm nobody's fanboy) will not believe it without more explanation from MT etc. Either way the Vette will tear up tires on the street in track alignment prematurely and heavy 4k car will tear up tires in street alignment differently on the track. As most know, there is no free lunch in tracking a car. You will pay for something somewhere depending how it is setup. In the end they should of verified both were in street alignment since that is the way they are sold to the customers and test them that way. Edit: Also one is a fully in production car, one is not. |
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12-30-2019, 10:14 AM | #5754 |
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Here is a better article on MTs dyno controversy.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/30990/...ette-dyno-test |
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