12-19-2019, 12:28 PM | #5461 | |
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What trans is in the GT350's? I doubt its the MT-82...at least I hope not.
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12-19-2019, 12:34 PM | #5462 | |
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12-19-2019, 12:39 PM | #5463 | |
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Wonder if salesmen are highly encouraged to get customers to option the crap out of them lol.
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12-19-2019, 12:43 PM | #5464 | |
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12-19-2019, 12:57 PM | #5465 | |
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12-19-2019, 01:13 PM | #5466 | |
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Anyway, wrt Corvette, I am sure one could construct a scenario where when you factor in development costs plus cost to expand Bowling Green plus certification costs plus plus plus you could show where the 2020 loses money. It goes to volume assumptions and how C8 specific program costs are allocated and ignoring the fact that more products are coming that will share in some of those costs. There are fixed costs (cost of facilities and tools, for example) and indirect costs (transportation of material, share of tools, supplies, and utilities required to operate the plant for example), and direct costs (materials, wages, transportation of product) some of which are fixed and some variable (for example, not all cars get a PDR, so that's a variable direct material cost). Without seeing the detail to back up the claim I tend to file it under "I'm pretty certain the program team is not staffed by idiots".
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12-19-2019, 01:27 PM | #5467 | |
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12-19-2019, 03:25 PM | #5468 | |
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Most likely the ZLE will match or beat the CF GT500. It won't have the HP deficit that the C8 Z51 had. And it should handle just about the same if not better. I don't see how it won't make up for that lost time and then some. I'd say both cars will be matched about evenly in the quarter mile and just about evenly on the track. But considering the comments made about how the ZL1 beat the GT350R only because it had more HP, the fact that the GT500 enjoys a HP boost over the ZLE should mean that the Z should stand no chance at all. The only remaining question will be if the Shelby does manage to win, or if it can only match the Z, or if it loses, then is that level of performance worth the extra $20K+. Most of us think that the Shelby would have to destroy the ZLE in order to justify the price. |
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12-19-2019, 03:36 PM | #5469 | |
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12-19-2019, 03:59 PM | #5470 | |
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But in reply, I never said that the GM cars CAN'T have those issues. We were talking about how these cars perform stock and why the times vary soo dramatically with the GT500. And it is more than obvious to even an idiot that the GT500 is suffering from issues with traction, heat soak, and temps/DA. Those are the three excuses that we have been hearing all this time. Even you can't argue that. MT and C&D both just ran 11.3, 11.4, and 11.5. Did they not? And what are the main things people have said about those runs? Track prep, DA, and in the case of the Las Vegas press event, the car was ran continuously and was heat soaked. When have you seen any of those comments about the ZL1 or Z06? The ZL1 has been doing 11.3-11.5 consistently. The Z06 has been going a little faster. The C8 runs consistent 11.1s. Not one person has brought up what the DA was or track prep or any of that. Because it is an issue, but it does not affect the Camaros and Corvettes as drastically. Now if you wanna let some personal thing you have against me lead you to ignore common sense then fine with me. But it isn't a bash against the GT500. It is an absolute fact that when one variable is removed, the GT500 will suffer greatly. Off a prepped track it is not going to run 10.6 bone stock on stock tires. In terrible DA it is not going to run a 10.6 bone stock on stock tires. If I am wrong then I'd like to hear your explanation. It just seems off. It took even Lund a while to smooth out the driveability and surging issues with the GT350 TB. Ford had to release a package with the tuning in it. And that was years ago. I'm pretty sure Ford has the ECUs locked down even tighter at this point. And I doubt anyone is smart enough to crack it in such a short amount of time. I'm not calling foul or anything. I'm just saying I wonder if Ford helped him out in some way. Like maybe they gave him enough to get the ball rolling and he figured the rest out. Or if maybe they just decided to not lock the ECUs that tightly after all. |
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LOL, all these guys need to form a support group with each other. Every timme you make a post they can console each other on a group chat or something HAHAHAHA
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12-19-2019, 05:18 PM | #5473 |
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Look at that, I found another thing we have in common!
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12-19-2019, 05:26 PM | #5474 | |
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Ahhh so close! i was all like, he's going to make a post without mentioning the price of the GT500... You know that they are all going to be sold out anyway right? Most people who can buy a 70k+ car aren't concerned with your financial analysis. Everybody gets it, you HATE the GT500 with all your soul. And I doubt the ZLE is going to keep up with the C8 Z51... |
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