[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

Well, I always figured the R would be a better handling car vs a Base GT500. But if you put Cup2's on that Base then the gap is much closer. But with the HP and DCT vs a manual I expect overall lap times to be better in the Base. I'm sure the CFTP will handle better than the R. But the R is just a phenomenal track directed car especially in the corners. It could use another 25-30 rwhp from the factory and still maintain its perfect balance.

From what I have read, the GT350 new 2019 and 2020 engine has more than the old 526. It has been bumped closer to 570 when run on the dyno. Ford just did not advertise.

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I don't see how high 11s is any different of an extreme or any less probable than high 10s. What MT runs is more in line with how these cars will perform unaltered off the showroom floor. These cars spend the vast majority of their life in this type of condition. A small fraction of them might spend a small fraction at a track where everything possible will be done to run the best time. So what is more practical?

When MT raced the Redeye they did on a prepped track and they were able to get 12.0 and an 11.8 with the car if that is the best that they could do with that car that is laughable, and those numbers should be treated the same way a hero lap would be. They way MT set up their race was unprofessional and that shows in the times

Cars does a great job of setting up a test of the Redeye and shows how a real test should be conducted and they were running low 11's and 10.86 a second faster than MT. MT is a joke if that is how they run their tests.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

From what I have read, the GT350 new 2019 and 2020 engine has more than the old 526. It has been bumped closer to 570 when run on the dyno. Ford just did not advertise.

Are you basing it on motortrends dyno, which is questionable at best? Because test reviews are essentially showing the same 0 to 60 and 1/4 times.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...ck-comparison/

A few things I noticed.

First is that they didn't compare them in the quarter mile. Suspicious.

Second is they didn't mention the actual times. They said the Base GT500 and the C8 Z51 had comparable lap times and then hint that the CF version beats the Vette. Ok but I would like to see those lap times. I'm guessing that even tho they claim the Base and Z51 times are comparable, the Z51 probably pulled a win.

Third is they claim the price is "similar". LOL!! So the Z51 which without any add-ons comes in at $64,995 while the Base GT500 is $73,995 and the CF GT500 is $92,495. But they are "similar" in price. It looks like a bunch of things were equipped on the C8 which might be why it was close to the price of the GT500. Such as the upgraded seats which is like $1500. And it looks like they had the black painted rims which is an extra $2400. The body color roof is an extra $995. I'm guessing it was the 1LT version tho. With those options added on the Vette would be like $73K.

Lastly I wonder why they skipped over the ZLE. I wonder if it's because they needed the Shelby to win at something and the only way to do that was against the Vette on a track. LOL!

So it doesn't look like any of the GT500s can clean sweep the C8 Z51. If the Base wins in the quarter mile it doesn't look like it'll win around a track. The CF might win around a track but at 11.4 it isn't going to beat the Z in the quarter. And against the A10 ZLE it the CF would probably be about tied in the quarter but lose or get matched around a track. All this and it has an extra 265 HP over the Vette, 110 HP over the ZLE, and costs about $20K more than both. I think this shows where balance gets you and how much you would need just to keep up with a very well built car.

Interesting article but I don't know anyone who thought the c8 z51 would beat the gt500 carbon fiber track pack at a track. After all it beat the c7 z51 in that one C&D or MT comparison but it's not like it beat the GS or z06 at a track.

When they say it beat the street corvette I wonder if they're refering c8 z51 in general or the street aligment numbers. Probably the c8 in general but since they made a distinction between the street tune and track tune, makes me wonder.

[ST1LE]

ZLERacer posted these in another thread:

Laptimes in the video:
Gt500 1:59.68
C8 2:00.96

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...ck-comparison/

A few things I noticed.

First is that they didn't compare them in the quarter mile. Suspicious.

Second is they didn't mention the actual times. They said the Base GT500 and the C8 Z51 had comparable lap times and then hint that the CF version beats the Vette. Ok but I would like to see those lap times. I'm guessing that even tho they claim the Base and Z51 times are comparable, the Z51 probably pulled a win.

Third is they claim the price is "similar". LOL!! So the Z51 which without any add-ons comes in at $64,995 while the Base GT500 is $73,995 and the CF GT500 is $92,495. But they are "similar" in price. It looks like a bunch of things were equipped on the C8 which might be why it was close to the price of the GT500. Such as the upgraded seats which is like $1500. And it looks like they had the black painted rims which is an extra $2400. The body color roof is an extra $995. I'm guessing it was the 1LT version tho. With those options added on the Vette would be like $73K.

Lastly I wonder why they skipped over the ZLE. I wonder if it's because they needed the Shelby to win at something and the only way to do that was against the Vette on a track. LOL!

So it doesn't look like any of the GT500s can clean sweep the C8 Z51. If the Base wins in the quarter mile it doesn't look like it'll win around a track. The CF might win around a track but at 11.4 it isn't going to beat the Z in the quarter. And against the A10 ZLE it the CF would probably be about tied in the quarter but lose or get matched around a track. All this and it has an extra 265 HP over the Vette, 110 HP over the ZLE, and costs about $20K more than both. I think this shows where balance gets you and how much you would need just to keep up with a very well built car.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

ZLERacer posted these in another thread:

Laptimes in the video:
Gt500 1:59.68
C8 2:00.96

And according to the video that was the "base" GT500

And basically confirms alot of theories. GT500 made it up on the straights, C8 cornered better. They said the CFTP was basically on another level. So it looks like both versions of the GT500 will be able to handle a track, The regular one will obviously benefit from tracks with long straights and the CFTP can handle more technical tracks - thats my quick reaction from reading the article

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Interesting article but I don't know anyone who thought the c8 z51 would beat the gt500 carbon fiber track pack at a track. After all it beat the c7 z51 in that one C&D or MT comparison but it's not like it beat the GS or z06 at a track.

When they say it beat the street corvette I wonder if they're refering c8 z51 in general or the street aligment numbers. Probably the c8 in general but since they made a distinction between the street tune and track tune, makes me wonder.

Track tune I think- there was another article floating around that the C8 time without the track tune/setup was something like a 2:03 or something. I will see if I can find it

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

And according to the video that was the "base" GT500

And basically confirms alot of theories. GT500 made it up on the straights, C8 cornered better. They said the CFTP was basically on another level.



Track tune I think- there was another article floating around that the C8 time without the track tune/setup was something like a 2:03 or something. I will see if I can find it

Did we hear somewhere else that the CFTP was 5 seconds faster than the base at that track?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Did we hear somewhere else that the CFTP was 5 seconds faster than the base at that track?

One of the articles somewhere said something along those lines

[Rodan]

So this is just a mashup of the two different tests, C8 and GT500, that were done a month apart?

Has anyone confirmed which configuration of VIR they were using? ZLE times around that config?

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What's it take to beat a Vette? 265 more HP and a $28K higher price!! But you'll only beat it around a track...by a little bit...we won't post the numbers!!

Just joined up, but I've read a lot of your posts and I just have to say.
No disrespect but I've never seen anyone so emotionally affected by another car. (almost obsessed which is weird if you don't like the car so much)

It sounds like you consistently have a problem with the $ aspect of it, if you can't afford it then who cares?

Save up till you can!

I can't afford one either but I am not going to cry about the price with thousands of words.
I am pretty sure that car will be sold out anyway so I guess other people are not having an issue affording it?

C8 is a solid as hell buy though! I'd rather be seen in that super car looking mofo than the squar-ish GT500 but you can't deny it's a performer.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

A 1:55 would be super good.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Rodan

So this is just a mashup of the two different tests, C8 and GT500, that were done a month apart?

Has anyone confirmed which configuration of VIR they were using? ZLE times around that config?

VIR Full according to some other posts in a different thread

[bradmo9]

1:55 would be very good for VIR full. I'd like to see it.

But the base actually did better than I though it would 1:59 is respectful.

Just wish they post a full article with all the times.

[bradmo9]

1,000 % agree never seen someone want a car to fail so bad.

I want all makes models to perform well makes it more exciting!!!

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Just joined up, but I've read a lot of your posts and I just have to say.
No disrespect but I've never seen anyone so emotionally affected by another car. (almost obsessed which is weird if you don't like the car so much)

It sounds like you consistently have a problem with the $ aspect of it, if you can't afford it then who cares?

Save up till you can!

I can't afford one either but I am not going to cry about the price with thousands of words.
I am pretty sure that car will be sold out anyway so I guess other people are not having an issue affording it?

C8 is a solid as hell buy though! I'd rather be seen in that super car looking mofo than the squar-ish GT500 but you can't deny it's a performer.