[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

It's already the case in an high horse power RWD vehicle. Why are we acting suprised the GT500 puts the power down better at a track than on the street? Here's examples of other RWD cars that struggle. CORVETTE ZR1 750hp It weighs 3300 yet struggles to run high 10s. The Camaro ZL1 fast list. The slowest guy is nearly in the 12s. The fastest time is high 10s. Thats not consistent. Redeyes run low 10s at atco. But magazines run 11.9s??? The Corvette went to mid engine because cars have reached the limits of RWD. Who doesn't expect corvettes next move will be AWD?

You're not wrong, but the corvette ruining high "magazine" 10s on street tires and an unprepped surface is actuallly kind of impressive for a 755hp 715tq rwd car.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I have watched the MT tests and the guy that drives the Hellcat and the Redeye needs a driver mod, 11.9 in the Hellcat and 12.0 in the Redeye. If that's the best the MT can do with these cars then I have not interest in MT at all.

I thought he ran 11.8? Give them a little credit lol.

[rocket403]

Yes he did on the second pass lol

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Vs the bike, I’m sure. I’m 12.6 - 12.8 all day in the Camaro vert. If I’m in the 13s I’m cussin’ and deflating my tires.

In the Last 10 years it is remarkable how HP has changed, we are now talking about 4 cars that are running 12.0 to 9's with sometimes just minor mods to make that happen. In the golden era of the Muscle Car 14.4 to 13.5 was the fast list of 455/454/440/426/427/429 all over 7L engines and now my little RT would beat most of those, and the one or 2 that could get into the 12's would get beat bad by Camaro/Mustang/Challenger 392

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You're not wrong, but the corvette ruining high "magazine" 10s on street tires and an unprepped surface is actuallly kind of impressive for a 755hp 715tq rwd car.

Unprepped shows how much better the Corvette ZR1 puts power down than the GT500.

Mustang struggles to run low 11's, Corvette runs 10's while putting less HP down on the dyno.

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Unprepped shows how much better the Corvette ZR1 puts power down than the GT500.

Mustang struggles to run low 11's, Corvette runs 10's while putting less HP down on the dyno.

The advantage of the ME design, but the only numbers that really matter are the drag strip numbers, bench racing is great but what are the 1/4 mile track times.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The advantage of the ME design, but the only numbers that really matter are the drag strip numbers, bench racing is great but what are the 1/4 mile track times.

ZR1 is a C7 - Front engine. Still runs faster with less power on an unprepped surface. Weight is the obvious advantage here for the Vette.

[rocket403]

Missed that was thinking C8 still 1/4 mile times other than my ME comment still stands.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

Ok so you understand? Because others talking about inconsistent performance seamed a little clueless to me. Its not a Ford thing. Its a high power/rwd thing. Well done Corvette for just giving up and going to whats proven to work.

Went out on top, not a bad way to go. The C7 was a great send off for the RWD Vette, but it is time to set the sights higher as GM does.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Unprepped shows how much better the Corvette ZR1 puts power down than the GT500.

Mustang struggles to run low 11's, Corvette runs 10's while putting less HP down on the dyno.

The ZR-1 does put the power down incredibly well, as seen in the 0-60 times. Almost every review says the launch control and traction management works wonders. But lets not forget when we look at the whole picture the ZR-1 is also 600 pounds lighter than the GT500

Now I know this will sound like excuse making, but it looks like C&D tested the ZR1 at the Texas mile - which while not a dragstrip is probably a better surface than the regular unprepped surface used in testing and MT when they tested - the photos in the article show the ZR1 on a drag strip and then the rest of the testing was done at willow springs - So was the ZR1 tested on an "unprepped" surface or at a strip in the MT test

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The ZR-1 does put the power down incredibly well, as seen in the 0-60 times. Almost every review says the launch control and traction management works wonders. But lets not forget when we look at the whole picture the ZR-1 is also 600 pounds lighter than the GT500

Now I know this will sound like excuse making, but it looks like C&D tested the ZR1 at the Texas mile - which while not a dragstrip is probably a better surface than the regular unprepped surface used in testing and MT when they tested - the photos in the article show the ZR1 on a drag strip and then the rest of the testing was done at willow springs - So was the ZR1 tested on an "unprepped" surface or at a strip in the MT test

Texas mile is a about as prepped as my subdivision's road. I assume MT would have made a note of the conditions if it was at a drag strip, I know they said as much when they ran the redeye and 812 super fast.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Missed that was thinking C8 still 1/4 mile times other than my ME comment still stands.

You're technically not totally wrong anyways, the c7 was a front mid ship design with a rear transaxle lol. For non bench racer numbers the zr1 fast list has mid 10s and even a 10.3 on oem tires, with a tire it's run 9s stock. Those are autos but stock manuals run 10s also.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Texas mile is a about as prepped as my subdivision's road. I assume MT would have made a note of the conditions if it was at a drag strip, I know they said as much when they ran the redeye and 812 super fast.

Good to know! Carry on then

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by rocket403

In the Last 10 years it is remarkable how HP has changed, we are now talking about 4 cars that are running 12.0 to 9's with sometimes just minor mods to make that happen. In the golden era of the Muscle Car 14.4 to 13.5 was the fast list of 455/454/440/426/427/429 all over 7L engines and now my little RT would beat most of those, and the one or 2 that could get into the 12's would get beat bad by Camaro/Mustang/Challenger 392

So true todays I4 Camaro and Mustangs would rule the street and the track in the heyday of the muscle cars. I remember. The problem now is where do we go from here? 400-500 to the wheels is my sweet spot. To me any more than that is wasted on the street. Fun but wasted. Having said that lots of great posts, analysis, and knowledge on this thread. These hypercars masquerading as pony cars are so cool.