[Nightfall ss1le]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Very slight chance I could be wrong, but it's not going to beat a c8 z06, it'll have it's hands full with a c7 z06 and zr1 at a track let alone a c8 version.

Completely agree man. Pretty sure it’ll get roasted & that should be it’s competition IMO.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

THIS.

With all the praising of the GT500 and what it can do with 760 HP @ $74K, you would think everyone, even the self proclaimed "car guys", would be losing their minds at what the C8 does with 495 HP @ $60K. THAT is much more impressive than the GT500, and honestly makes the 500 seem a bit disappointing as you have said.

I get the interest, the 500 is an awesome car and fits very competitively in the segment, and we don't even have track times yet, so the potential to impress even more is there.

That said, I also don't really see what people are so wild about. People are acting like something about the 500 is groundbreaking and it isn't at all. It is just another awesome choice in an already awesome and competitive segment, and it is the LAST to the market.

The ME Vette though, THAT is groundbreaking, new, and very impressive for the money. VERY.

Ford will likely never have an answer for the C8, with that ME, it is like Ford is in 2020 and GM is in 2040, from a performance standpoint. The GT500 will rarely beat the C8 on the streets, if ever considering the ease of traction in a ME layout.

Ford: "OMG, look at our new GT500 it's so amazing and only costs $74K!"
GM: "Hold my beer."

The 500 would be way more fun to drive though, I will admit that, and that is very very important in a buying decision. Does it make it worth $74K? Not to me personally, especially with only a DCT option.

Honestly though, all these cars are really freaking awesome.

I don't think that anyone is losing their minds with the C8 performance because we all understand that it is a mid engine platform which has huge advantages, even when compared to C7 Z06 and ZR1 models, never mind Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger models.

[Grimfrost769]

Originally Posted by SSDan

More than you could possibly imagine!

BlaqWhole has 869 posts in this thread and you have 388.

Whenever I am bored I check in on this thread for entertainment.

So much energy expended over the debated .1 of a second here and there.

Amazing! Press on.

Dude, I do the exact thing. There's great info and great entertainment here.

[ChefBorOzzy]

I remember when Camaro SS was gapping Mustang GT in 2016 and all you would read from the Ford camp was: "It's more expensive. You can make the Mustang perform as well for less the price difference with a few mods".

[ZRacerLE]

The C8 will be pretty slow from a roll though compared to the high hp cars and the lap times have been disappointing for me, hence the move to the ZLE. Pretty sure the C8Z will have me back in a vette in a few years though.

Even though it is last to arrive in the segment, I'm now thinking the GT500 CFTP might be worth the MSRP without the bs adms if it ties a C7Z on the road course. You get a comfortable riding daily driveable track beast.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I would like to see some proof that Blaq did 180 at a road track

add to that the personal attacks are uncalled for.

I've been out of this thread too long and trying to catch up. I wish he would post this, but we all know he's lying so he tries to ignore it and let it die.

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

It's to simple of a car to drive. Not to. Hasn't been done yet. But the first owner. A teenager with no racing background. Has already went 10.6. In less favorable DA. Than I mentioned above. Of course youll be able to throw the keys. To some ding dong internet racer. That will take a GT500. And run a 12 with it. I don't know about you. But Im not taking a chance. On wrecking a 60-90 thousand dollar Mustang or Camaro. Racing on dirty concrete. So just from looking at the numbers. Common sense should tell us. All you need to know. The ZL1 needs a power bump. To play the straight line game. With cars making 760 to 800hp. I'm not much of a road course guy. So ill have to take the magazines word. For those times.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Fyi people keep saying the kid has no racing background, which is correct for drag racing but the kid tracks his gt350 often. He's not a total noob to driving cars fast. That has nothing to do with anything just figured I'd cut him a break.

Exactly what Robbie said about the kid not being a racer. Road course takes a way more talented driver than drag strip. Granted it does take skill to launch well, but clearly the GT500's launch control also eliminates 90% of that skill (possibly more on a prepped surface).

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

POST #4769. Your welcome. I'm digging this quote below.

One thing I learned from years and years of racing...in ways that are not allowed to be discussed here...is that having the faster car does not automatically mean you will win. I have easily beaten people who had cars that were much faster than mine. And that will be the case with the ZL1 against the GT500. In some cases the 500 will win. In other situations the ZL1 will win. But it is not etched in granite that the 500 will always win.

Its good you don't discuss your racing. Because the racing that you do discuss. Sounds a lot like BS. To quote a few of your better lines. "I've hit 180 on a road course". Or this classic. "I wasn't trying. When I ran my 11.9".
So since you can't discuss your years and years of racing. Am I to assume? Your some kinda bad ass, street racer? You know, bad ass street racers answer their call outs. Right? Never once Have I seen you do that!!!! So with that said. I'm not buying. Your some hardcore, street racing, Need for Speed Mother F%&ker either! I'm really puzzled. How a few of the guys in this section. Back up this kind of constant nonsense.

But whoever said something about your extremely short sentence posting was right. That. Shit. Is. Annoying.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It seems to me that Ford's approach was to make 2 different 500s. One that could track well and one that is good in a straight line. GM's approach was to make a car that does great at everything, then make a version that is even better at everything. The price difference is not insignificant either. On Ford's end you're making a $20K jump to get a better track car that just happens to be not as good on the strip. With GM you pay an extra $7500 to get a car that is better around a track and better in the quarter. Either way it is evident, to me at least, that the Base 500 will not stand a chance against the ZLE around a track. And it is possible that the A10 ZLE will also beat the 500 on a strip. The only area where any version of the 500 might shine is the CF around a track. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out for sure. But I would not be surprised to see the A10 ZLE dominate in all areas even if the 500 might have more potential in a straight line. It's starting to look like that might happen.

Even though most of this is true, you know what's very weird? Your statement should actually be "the G3R TIRE is better in the quarter". Everyone knows tire for tire the regular ZL1 is a better drag car and here is the weird part. How is the PSC2 equipped CFTP not going to produce better quarter times than the PS4S equipped GT500? My answer is the CFTP will produce a better time on a non-prepped surface, so if the latest C&D test was the CFTP, the standard GT500 will be slower than the ZL1s 11.4 on a non prepped surface!
None of that actually matters because if anyone is serious about drag racing any of these cars they will have drag radials. Also ZLE and CFTP guys should remove the aero stuff, at least the wing, for a trip to the strip. I'm mad at myself for not removing my ZLE wing from my car the one time I went to the strip in the last 2 years.

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I can talk cars all day. Provided there's a hint of honesty behind peoples claims. Even on this forum. So what is it exactly you find interesting about the 11.4s? On an unprepped surface. Ive always found that the more powerful a car is. The harder it is to find traction. So it only stands to reason. A 760hp car. Would have a harder time out of the hole. Than a less powerful car. Now on a prepped surface. The opposite will be true. The majority of the time. Simple. Would you agree? And some Ford fans do struggle with this concept. But apparently the same can be said for Camaro fans. Is the GT500 a10.61 car? Or an 11.4 car? I say its both. Depending on where your running it! However everyone over here will chant 11.4 religiously. And the opposite over there on M6. As far as road course times. I believe the Base GT500 and the ZLe will be close. We'll all know the answer to that question soon enough. Speculating is only good for killing time at work. It'll probably suprise you. But beating a car that's been out since 2016. Isn't an incredible achievement in my opinion. But to your other point. Me and blaq have chose to fight. And Im more than ok with that!

I still think the ZLE is going to beat the CFTP around most tracks.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

While I agree with the current crop of Ford guys posting on this thread lately, and think prepped and unprepped surface numbers should be looked at... it is interesting and a far cry from about 100 pages ago when Idahoe2018gt and others were citing magazine numbers only (incorrect ones often) and claiming that was the only data that should be used for the a10 and a8 camaro ss and how the c7 z06 never went faster than 11.0 in MT or C&D even though everyone knows it's run mid and high 10s at a drag strip before... wonder what their take on the gt500s C&D 11.4 number vs some YouTuber's 10.6s-10.9s lol

Very good point!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I don't think that anyone is losing their minds with the C8 performance because we all understand that it is a mid engine platform which has huge advantages, even when compared to C7 Z06 and ZR1 models, never mind Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger models.

True, good point. I was just expressing that moving to a ME for $60K was more impressive and rare than just throwing more HP at a RWD platform as has been done for decades now. Just more of the same thing in other words, nothing new or groundbreaking from the 500 to be losing our minds over.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

The C8 will be pretty slow from a roll though compared to the high hp cars and the lap times have been disappointing for me, hence the move to the ZLE. Pretty sure the C8Z will have me back in a vette in a few years though.

Even though it is last to arrive in the segment, I'm now thinking the GT500 CFTP might be worth the MSRP without the bs adms if it ties a C7Z on the road course. You get a comfortable riding daily driveable track beast.

I can see that being the case for some who value a backseat over build quality and interior materials etc.

I think the buyer for a $100K track beast/daily driver is a small market though, but nonetheless you point out a very distinct advantage the 500 could have if it matches Z06 track performance while offering more DD comfort.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I can see that being the case for some who value a backseat over build quality and interior materials etc.

I think the buyer for a $100K track beast/daily driver is a small market though, but nonetheless you point out a very distinct advantage the 500 could have if it matches Z06 track performance while offering more DD comfort.

The CFTP has no back seat, so it’s not much different then the C8 as fas as hauling people.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

The CFTP has no back seat, so it’s not much different then the C8 as fas as hauling people.

LOL, good point!!!

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I can see that being the case for some who value a backseat over build quality and interior materials etc.

I think the buyer for a $100K track beast/daily driver is a small market though, but nonetheless you point out a very distinct advantage the 500 could have if it matches Z06 track performance while offering more DD comfort.

I'm not a Vette guy so if I was going to spend that type of coin it would be for Dodge then Ford not Chevy, only thing I see as a issue with the Mustang is the engine long term, but I have read that Ford has made some changes to the Voodoo engine.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I'm not a Vette guy so if I was going to spend that type of coin it would be for Dodge then Ford not Chevy, only thing I see as a issue with the Mustang is the engine long term, but I have read that Ford has made some changes to the Voodoo engine.

Honestly, nobody needs a Mustang. Camaro, Vette, Challenger. These are purely emotional decisions and we buy what we like.

I have owned Honda, Ford, Chevy, GMC, Jeep, and BMW in my day and Im still only in my 30's. So that list will only grow more diverse as companies continue to offer different cars.

The 500 doesn't use the Voodoo, and I am pretty sure the vibrations from the FPC are the root cause of the issues in the Voodoo. I am much less concerned with the 500's version of the 5.2 block(Predator?).

[rocket403]

Thought they were the same my mistake I guess I was looking at 5.2

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by rocket403

Thought they were the same my mistake I guess I was looking at 5.2

Voodoo = 5.2L flat planed crank NA
Predator = 5.2L cross planed crank SC

Same basic block, different cranks. Some of the internals are metrically different, though not different enough to impact reliability or durability to say that one is measurably better than the other. The big issue is the flat plane revs higher (yay!) but has more vibration issues (boooo). Both hand assembled by the same people on the same line.