[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I can talk cars all day. Provided there's a hint of honesty behind peoples claims. Even on this forum. So what is it exactly you find interesting about the 11.4s? On an unprepped surface. Ive always found that the more powerful a car is. The harder it is to find traction. So it only stands to reason. A 760hp car. Would have a harder time out of the hole. Than a less powerful car. Now on a prepped surface. The opposite will be true. The majority of the time. Simple. Would you agree? And some Ford fans do struggle with this concept. But apparently the same can be said for Camaro fans. Is the GT500 a10.61 car? Or an 11.4 car? I say its both. Depending on where your running it! However everyone over here will chant 11.4 religiously. And the opposite over there on M6. As far as road course times. I believe the Base GT500 and the ZLe will be close. We'll all know the answer to that question soon enough. Speculating is only good for killing time at work. It'll probably suprise you. But beating a car that's been out since 2016. Isn't an incredible achievement in my opinion. But to your other point. Me and blaq have chose to fight. And Im more than ok with that!

I say it's both a 10.6 and 11.4 car. All data points are important, but you have to know the context. 11.4 on an unprepped surface and stock everything including tire pressures, the 10.6 is on a prepped surface with non-stock tire pressures set for the conditions. To me, the more data the better, but I have to know the whole context of those numbers to make them informative. And yes, high HP cars are hard to get to hook up, that's obvious.

BUT, there is a difference between the car being hard for PEOPLE to get it to hook up because of high power, and the CAR's ability to put power down to the ground regardless of the driver. The GT500 has a pretty fancy traction management system, and it will really make it easier for the driver to get the car to hook up as optimally as possible. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it will put the power down well.

To me, the fact that the ZL1 has the same 1/4 mile time as the GT500 on an unprepped surface, tested under the same standards and methodologies, and corrected for the environment by the magazine, means the ZL1 puts the power down a bit more efficiently (at least from a launch). This usually means that the ZL1 will put the power down coming out of a turn better as well, but not always. We will still have to see the results of a road course to be sure...

This is most likely because the GT500 has a mechanical limited-slip differential (Torsen), but the ZL1 has an eDiff (electronic torque vectoring differential). So, I predict that the ZL1 will put the power down coming out of a turn better than the GT500. This is where the eDiff really makes a difference. But again, let's wait for the testing.

Not sure why Ford didn't go with some type of torque vectoring diff on this car, they had enough time, and it really helps on the road course (as well as the 1/4 mile strip). But, it certainly not that big of a deal either, a Torsen is great for a mechanical diff.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

Now say that over on M6G

I have! You'll have to dig thru the GT500 threads. Its there. I also said the demon is
still faster than both in a straight line. That'll be easier to find. Because its more recent. If you think I dont call out the magazine racers on my forum. You haven't been paying attention. Sometime you just have to say well done to the other side. And move on.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I say it's both a 10.6 and 11.4 car. All data points are important, but you have to know the context. 11.4 on an unprepped surface and stock everything including tire pressures, the 10.6 is on a prepped surface with non-stock tire pressures set for the conditions. To me, the more data the better, but I have to know the whole context of those numbers to make them informative. And yes, high HP cars are hard to get to hook up, that's obvious.

BUT, there is a difference between the car being hard for PEOPLE to get it to hook up because of high power, and the CAR's ability to put power down to the ground regardless of the driver. The GT500 has a pretty fancy traction management system, and it will really make it easier for the driver to get the car to hook up as optimally as possible. But, that doesn't necessarily mean it will put the power down well.

To me, the fact that the ZL1 has the same 1/4 mile time as the GT500 on an unprepped surface, tested under the same standards and methodologies, and corrected for the environment by the magazine, means the ZL1 puts the power down a bit more efficiently (at least from a launch). This usually means that the ZL1 will put the power down coming out of a turn better as well, but not always. We will still have to see the results of a road course to be sure...

This is most likely because the GT500 has a mechanical limited-slip differential (Torsen), but the ZL1 has an eDiff (electronic torque vectoring differential). So, I predict that the ZL1 will put the power down coming out of a turn better than the GT500. This is where the eDiff really makes a difference. But again, let's wait for the testing.

Not sure why Ford didn't go with some type of torque vectoring diff on this car, they had enough time, and it really helps on the road course (as well as the 1/4 mile strip). But, it certainly not that big of a deal either, a Torsen is great for a mechanical diff.

Your theory on the difference in differentials could very will be correct. Straight power goes to the Mustang. Braking is an unknown. The Mustang has bigger brakes. The chevy has less mass. I have an nhra license. So the straight line stuff is my wheel house. Im waiting on the big magazine comparo. Like everyone else. For the road course action.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

Your theory on the difference in differentials could very will be correct. Straight power goes to the Mustang. Braking is an unknown. The Mustang has bigger brakes. The chevy has less mass. I have an nhra license. So the straight line stuff is my wheel house. Im waiting on the big magazine comparo. Like everyone else. For the road course action.

NHRA licence? Nice! A licence to thrill!

I'm more of a road course guy. I live in a river valley that has very windy and hilly back roads (think tail of the dragon). One curve on my way to work is so sharp, at least once a week I see someone put their turn signal on!

No room for a toy in the garage, so my Camaro has to be my daily driver and pull dual duty. Having a high power car that doesn't put the power down is pretty frustrating at best for where I live. The last thing anyone would need around here is for the tail to step out coming out of a turn. You would either hit oncoming traffic or a tree.

It's one of the reasons I went to an HPDE. It gave me not only better driving skills, but a complete understanding of where the limits are with my particular car. Real helpful if you are going out for a spirited drive.

I keep promissing myself that I will try a 1/4 mile track one day for the experience. I will probaly just find a local test and tune night to have some fun.

If I were a big 1/4 mile car guy and looking at the GT500, one big question I would have is how much more torque (power) could the DCT handle. Is it going to be a limiting factor for those that want to mod the car for significant power increases? I would want to see how that question gets answered.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

NHRA licence? Nice! A licence to thrill!

I'm more of a road course guy. I live in a river valley that has very windy and hilly back roads (think tail of the dragon). One curve on my way to work is so sharp, at least once a week I see someone put their turn signal on!

No room for a toy in the garage, so my Camaro has to be my daily driver and pull dual duty. Having a high power car that doesn't put the power down is pretty frustrating at best for where I live. The last thing anyone would need around here is for the tail to step out coming out of a turn. You would either hit oncoming traffic or a tree.

It's one of the reasons I went to an HPDE. It gave me not only better driving skills, but a complete understanding of where the limits are with my particular car. Real helpful if you are going out for a spirited drive.

I keep promissing myself that I will try a 1/4 mile track one day for the experience. I will probaly just find a local test and tune night to have some fun.

If I were a big 1/4 mile car guy and looking at the GT500, one big question I would have is how much more torque (power) could the DCT handle. Is it going to be a limiting factor for those that want to mod the car for significant power increases? I would want to see how that question gets answered.

That's the money question right there. I'm interested to see this myself. Not just due to the power of the vehicle but the mass of the car it's on.

I've heard a few ford guys express this concern. As far as stock cars go it'll be super fast and a hell of a vehicle, it remains to be seen what it's after market potential will be. My guess is with enough money thrown at it it'll be good, but a boosted coyote a10 will definately be the easier and cheaper way to run 9s and 8s.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Edit: I do have a question actually. Do you think the 500 is capable of Ford's claims 10.7 on an unprepped surface?

I didn't mean to ignore you. I just noticed this. But I don't think Ford had an unprepped surface in mind. With the 10.7 claim. Supposedly there is video of stangmode hitting the 3.3 zero to 60mph. On a public road. Like Ford claimed it would do. I try not to watch the youtube clickbate.

[Evansa22]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I can talk cars all day. Provided there's a hint of honesty behind peoples claims. Even on this forum. So what is it exactly you find interesting about the 11.4s? On an unprepped surface. Ive always found that the more powerful a car is. The harder it is to find traction. So it only stands to reason. A 760hp car. Would have a harder time out of the hole. Than a less powerful car. Now on a prepped surface. The opposite will be true. The majority of the time. Simple. Would you agree? And some Ford fans do struggle with this concept. But apparently the same can be said for Camaro fans. Is the GT500 a10.61 car? Or an 11.4 car? I say its both. Depending on where your running it! However everyone over here will chant 11.4 religiously. And the opposite over there on M6. As far as road course times. I believe the Base GT500 and the ZLe will be close. We'll all know the answer to that question soon enough. Speculating is only good for killing time at work. It'll probably suprise you. But beating a car that's been out since 2016. Isn't an incredible achievement in my opinion. But to your other point. Me and blaq have chose to fight. And Im more than ok with that!

I thought it was interesting because it's the same time they ran with the zl1. 110 more hp and dct I personally thought it would run a little better than the zl1. Although the 500 does weigh more so that plays into it. I do agree, more power, more problems. In terms of hooking up anyways. I'm not really a drag racer, always been more of a track and back roads guy so my knowledge of that stuff is lacking. Also the 0-60 time surprised me a little compared to the zl1 but again weight may play into that as well as putting the power down better. Yes, we will see soon enough tho

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

So what about the fact that the Corvette price jumped by 4K in one model year, and has had many increases during each generation. The Z06 has gone from starting price of 78 to 82, Stingray went from 51 to 55. And they have been discounting them for the last few years because people knew the C8 was coming, but still increased the MSRP on them last year. I can't remember what year it was but I remember the C6 jumped up in msrp like 1500 bucks mid model year.

The GT350 and R have been continually been updated since release, yet the only reason the price has gone up in model year#5 is Ford wants a piece of the ADM that's almost gone now if you look...yeah right.

Maybe someone with former insider knowledge like Martin (hate to drag you into this nonsense lol) could chime in. Who knows maybe its both

It no longer interests me. Fact of the matter is the GT500 CF is priced far out of reach of most people. And they have markups attached. The Based GT500 is priced slightly higher than reasonable and that is before you start adding options. And it has markups attached as well. The GT350R MSRP is higher than Base GT500 despite the performance deficit. But I guess it is worth all that money because of CF wheels and a FPC 5.2 engine. The non-R, I just don't know. The 500 is soo far out of reach that not one person here is even getting one despite how amazing it apparently is. The GT500 will run 10.6 but conditions have to be met for that to happen. Otherwise it is a mid to high 11 sec car with a high trap speed. And by the time the markups drop there will be cars priced similarly that the 500 won't even stand a chance. It barely stands a chance now against the current crop of GM vehicles unless conditions are favorable to it. So I honestly lost interest in even debating any of this anymore. It's not even a competition as far as I'm concerned. I'm just holding out to see the ZLE beat the CF around a track while running an identical quarter mile.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It no longer interests me. .

Does it no longer interest you because you realize you just might have been wrong lol I mean you side stepped the conversation and went right back to trying bash the GT350 and GT500

But it's all good man we have debated the same stuff to the death lol. I almost wonder how many pages of this thread are you just you and me going back and forth haha.

I am anxious to see results as well

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by GossipSquirrelJelena

I didn't mean to ignore you. I just noticed this. But I don't think Ford had an unprepped surface in mind. With the 10.7 claim. Supposedly there is video of stangmode hitting the 3.3 zero to 60mph. On a public road. Like Ford claimed it would do. I try not to watch the youtube clickbate.

No worries man!

Hmmmm......I didn't read for myself that it said on a prepped surface so I am really not sure. I read someone post that it said (paraphrasing here) "ideal conditions and prepped surface or drag strip" or something.

Now that I think about it, I guess my question was a dumb one. 1/4 should only happen at a drag strip, very unsafe to do so on a public road, and Ford would never claim a 1/4 mile time for a public road. Surely they mean a drag strip, where it is safe, controlled, etc.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

I thought it was interesting because it's the same time they ran with the zl1. 110 more hp and dct I personally thought it would run a little better than the zl1. Although the 500 does weigh more so that plays into it. I do agree, more power, more problems. In terms of hooking up anyways. I'm not really a drag racer, always been more of a track and back roads guy so my knowledge of that stuff is lacking. Also the 0-60 time surprised me a little compared to the zl1 but again weight may play into that as well as putting the power down better. Yes, we will see soon enough tho

The trap speed tells the tale, clearly traction issues which is expected with so much power and an un-prepped surface. The gap will grow on the strip.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Here is more evidence of how too much is the other side of not enough. I did not think of my red A10 ZL1 as the fastest pony car. I just changed my mind. C&D is big into acceleration analysis lately expaining roll out to the masses.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ation-testing/

See the link above - as per the article:

"Our times are slightly slower than Ford's claims of 3.3 seconds to 60 mph and 10.7 through the quarter-mile, which it admits were for perfect conditions at a drag strip."

[SSDan]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I almost wonder how many pages of this thread are you just you and me going back and forth haha.

More than you could possibly imagine!

BlaqWhole has 869 posts in this thread and you have 388.

Whenever I am bored I check in on this thread for entertainment.

So much energy expended over the debated .1 of a second here and there.

Amazing! Press on.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

See the link above - as per the article:

"Our times are slightly slower than Ford's claims of 3.3 seconds to 60 mph and 10.7 through the quarter-mile, which it admits were for perfect conditions at a drag strip."

THANK YOU!!

This quote is what I saw and got confused on earlier in my Q to Beast errr Squirrel LOL.