[Rodan]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

But the patient buyers (like me who got the R under MSRP) will get the GT500 at MSRP inside of a year.

Not in 2020, except maybe someone with an inside line. Maybe 2021, but it will still require some legwork....

My local Ford dealer wants $15k ADM for a 2020 GT350R...

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by Rodan

Not in 2020, except maybe someone with an inside line. Maybe 2021, but it will still require some legwork....

My local Ford dealer wants $15k ADM for a 2020 GT350R...

And I know where you can get an Iconic Silver 2020 R for $1k over invoice right now. Not MSRP.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I called a dealership and got a quote for a Base GT500. MSRP was $79K and they wanted a $20K markup. So the final price was $99K. I laughed. Thing is this dealership is all the way out in Illinois. That was the closest one I could find. Let's say I tried to talk them down, somebody somewhere will probably go ahead and purchase it for $5K or $10K or more over MSRP. And I refuse to pay 1 cent more than MSRP. And even if I do find another one there is no telling what the markups will be on that one. Plus it's not like I get to pick and choose the options I would want. So I'd be stuck with a car costing well over $70K which I won't even be able to choose my own options. Meanwhile I can go buy a ZL1, C7 Z06, C8, Hellcat, Redeye, etc exactly how I want and even get a discount. And they are available. So I'll say it again, no matter how great this car is, or how great people think it is, none of that matters if normal people can't acquire one. And these cars are next to impossible to acquire.

Funny thing is, why would I pay $99K, $20K of which is ADM, for a $79K car when I can just go and buy a car that is actually worth $99K? LOL!! Makes no sense why anyone would do that. At $99K I am not driving home in a Base GT500. It's gonna be a M5 or a z06 or a used C7 ZR1 or a Trackhawk with a few thousand leftover.

Gillespie Ford? They are one of two dealers within 150 miles of me that have a GT500 in stock and they are asking 20K over...on the the other hand they have a couple of GT350's for about 2500 off lol. The other dealer is up in Wisconsin and they aren't showing a mark up on their website, but I would bet they have something on it.

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

And I know where you can get an Iconic Silver 2020 R for $1k over invoice right now. Not MSRP.

I never said my local dealer was smart, but it's a 5 year old platform and they're still asking ADM... And this isn't all that uncommon for Ford, they did it for years with Raptors as well.

An MSRP purchase of a GT500 is going to be very rare for a long time. I stand by my prediction that it won't happen in 2020, not without inside connections, anyway.

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by Rodan

I never said my local dealer was smart, but it's a 5 year old platform and they're still asking ADM... And this isn't all that uncommon for Ford, they did it for years with Raptors as well.

An MSRP purchase of a GT500 is going to be very rare for a long time. I stand by my prediction that it won't happen in 2020, not without inside connections, anyway.

People gotta get over this 5 year old platform stuff. The friggin cars perform. Perform on a world class level too.

Time will tell the truth about MSRP being had or not. But I've gotta pretty good feel for how these things go after buying many performance cars. None of these mass produced "supercars" are gold friggin nuggets. They all depreciate regardless and there WILL be dealers who want to move that metal off their lots instead of collecting it. It will take a persistent search from a buyer. I will be sure to point out such deals and maybe even my own deal if I decide to do one because you can bet your house, I won't pay ADM. I didn't have any inside connections on my R. The dealership had 2 R's and 2 regular 350's on the showroom. It was time to move metal.

[JB'sZL1]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

People gotta get over this 5 year old platform stuff. The friggin cars perform. Perform on a world class level too.

I'm kinda with you, but...

I'll get off the 5 year old platform if it has a skidpad of 1.1 or more...basically outperforming the Z on the twisties.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

So let me get this straight. The hype meter on the GT500 is in full swing and you're looking for an MSRP deal? You're a smart one... I've said it many times already. Those that HAVE to have it NOW will pay stupid money NOW. Just like the 350R when it came out. But the patient buyers (like me who got the R under MSRP) will get the GT500 at MSRP inside of a year. Some really lucky buyers will find unicorn deals too.

The hype meter on the C8 has been in full swing for a while now without fluff stories about kids buying and driving 2000 miles home and stopping at a dragstrip along the way. Yet I can order one (and have one on order) for MSRP. And your story sure does sound nice. But it is BS. First off, I wouldn't buy a GT350R at MSRP, $5K below MSRP, or even at ZL1 MSRP. I wouldn't pay more than $55K for that car because the performance of it is at $55K value. Second, why would I wait and search and shop around just to end up buying one probably at a dealership way out of state at MSRP when there are plenty of competing cars that I can go and buy right now for a hell of a deal? I'd have to be stupid as hell to do that. No car is worth that kind of hassle and for damn sure not a Ford. If some person likes it bad enough that they're willing to search for months and go out of state or pay ADMs now then I feel sorry for them. Me personally, I'll go buy something better.

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

People gotta get over this 5 year old platform stuff. The friggin cars perform. Perform on a world class level too.

Time will tell the truth about MSRP being had or not. But I've gotta pretty good feel for how these things go after buying many performance cars. None of these mass produced "supercars" are gold friggin nuggets. They all depreciate regardless and there WILL be dealers who want to move that metal off their lots instead of collecting it. It will take a persistent search from a buyer. I will be sure to point out such deals and maybe even my own deal if I decide to do one because you can bet your house, I won't pay ADM. I didn't have any inside connections on my R. The dealership had 2 R's and 2 regular 350's on the showroom. It was time to move metal.

Right. You just had to wait a very long time to get it. LOL!! What if that dealership didn't think it was time to "move metal"? Look, I'm glad you got your R and for under MSRP. But that car is not worth even what you put yourself thru to get one. Look at it like this, if the GT500 will be selling at MSRP in under a year, then if you had just waited, you could have gotten one which is cheaper than your R MSRP to MSRP. So it makes no sense why you even bought the R when in just a few more months you'll be able to get a GT500.

[LT4]

For sure will be super quick on a track, but GT500 top line numbers are very disappointing. 0-60 in 3.3, top speed 175, 60-0 in 105 (Motor Week). Another problem is that it looks like a Mustang.

ZL1 and ZLE will look like a great deal by comparison and with 5 year old design to boot. Oh, and manual if you want it.

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The hype meter on the C8 has been in full swing for a while now without fluff stories about kids buying and driving 2000 miles home and stopping at a dragstrip along the way. Yet I can order one (and have one on order) for MSRP. And your story sure does sound nice. But it is BS. First off, I wouldn't buy a GT350R at MSRP, $5K below MSRP, or even at ZL1 MSRP. I wouldn't pay more than $55K for that car because the performance of it is at $55K value. Second, why would I wait and search and shop around just to end up buying one probably at a dealership way out of state at MSRP when there are plenty of competing cars that I can go and buy right now for a hell of a deal? I'd have to be stupid as hell to do that. No car is worth that kind of hassle and for damn sure not a Ford. If some person likes it bad enough that they're willing to search for months and go out of state or pay ADMs now then I feel sorry for them. Me personally, I'll go buy something better.

Right. You just had to wait a very long time to get it. LOL!! What if that dealership didn't think it was time to "move metal"? Look, I'm glad you got your R and for under MSRP. But that car is not worth even what you put yourself thru to get one. Look at it like this, if the GT500 will be selling at MSRP in under a year, then if you had just waited, you could have gotten one which is cheaper than your R MSRP to MSRP. So it makes no sense why you even bought the R when in just a few more months you'll be able to get a GT500.

You're a punk with the way you formulate your responses. I shouldn't even waste my time responding. You really don't do any service to this community.

But here goes:

A very long time... LOL. By the time I decided I was going to get an R to the time I bought one was about 3 1/2 months and I bought it ~20 miles away from my front door.

I haven't decided to get rid the R. Ideally I'd like to keep it and be able to get a GT500. Because I love to drive it. Just gonna have wait an see what I can put away from now till then. I just finished paying off our Z51 and I'll have the title to the R late spring I estimate. For this reason I haven't even started a search for a GT500 because I'm not a serious buyer at the moment. So for now it's a dream car but in a very realistic dream. In the meantime I'll just be a lurker in the GT500 threads to see how many of the antique platforms that will most assuredly run rings around and straight thru other cars are holding up.

I'm sure you'll respond to this post and that's fine because you gotta do you... But you can forget about me responding to you much more because I gotta do me which not waste my time with punk asses.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

And I know where you can get an Iconic Silver 2020 R for $1k over invoice right now. Not MSRP.

DAMN they look GOOD in silver too!!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

You're a punk with the way you formulate your responses. I shouldn't even waste my time responding. You really don't do any service to this community.

But here goes:

A very long time... LOL. By the time I decided I was going to get an R to the time I bought one was about 3 1/2 months and I bought it ~20 miles away from my front door.

I haven't decided to get rid the R. Ideally I'd like to keep it and be able to get a GT500. Because I love to drive it. Just gonna have wait an see what I can put away from now till then. I just finished paying off our Z51 and I'll have the title to the R late spring I estimate. For this reason I haven't even started a search for a GT500 because I'm not a serious buyer at the moment. So for now it's a dream car but in a very realistic dream. In the meantime I'll just be a lurker in the GT500 threads to see how many of the antique platforms that will most assuredly run rings around and straight thru other cars are holding up.

I'm sure you'll respond to this post and that's fine because you gotta do you... But you can forget about me responding to you much more because I gotta do me which not waste my time with punk asses.

Oh I'M the punk? I made a comment about an experience with a dealership that had nothing to do with you. In fact, on here I have not even mentioned or replied to you on any of your comments in a while. YOU challenged me with your condescending remarks. I replied back. You're the one who started slinging shit pal yet you don't like it when it gets thrown back at you. Call me a "punk ass" all you want. I made simple easy to understand remarks about the GT500 which are not favorable. You took offense to it. So get over yourself.

[BlaqWhole]

2 things I notice with Mustangs.

First is that they always do super spectacular numbers when they are tested solo. The thing about that is those same numbers are seen with the Camaros...that is if the Camaro isn't doing better. However when they are tested side by side and are subjected to the same conditions and given the same treatment, they are not as fast as they seem. The SS was doing 11.9s in private owner hands. Yet there was no fanfare. The 18 GT comes out and runs what should be considered a private owner run, and people run those stories to death. But when both cars were tested the GT was never as fast, or faster, like the numbers suggested. Next up. Here comes the GT500 in a private owner's hand and runs a 10.6. However the ZL1 in private owner hands ran 10.9s a long time ago. Where was Car and Driver with that story? LOL! The Redeye ran 10.8s a while back. Where was all the reports? So why is it that when Ford is late as Hell to everything that has been done a long time ago, there is all this media junk surrounding it? It almost seems like the media is trying to promote the Mustang for Ford. Now if a private owner takes a new C8 to the track and busts off a 10.9 or faster, will that get the same attention?

The second thing I notice is that if the GT500 is similar to the Hellcat or Redeye in acceleration, is it really going to walk the ZL1 like people think? I doubt it. In every video of roll races with the ZL1 and Hellcats the ZL1 gets the initial hit and it takes time before the Hellcat starts to reel it back in. I'd say around 120 - 140 is where the Hellcat would start to pass. It is probably due to the small blower and 10 gears that help the ZL1 take off quicker and get an early lead. One thing I notice is that the ZL1 is instantly at full boost while the Hellcats take time with that huge blower. The GT500 will likely have it even worse considering it is a DOHC engine. Let's say Hellcats dyno 680 RWHP and the RE is around 690 RWHP. The GT500 is roughly the same weight but a little lighter. And it seems to be making around 20-ish more to the wheels. However it only has 7 speeds. And regardless of the DCT, I doubt it would be THAT superior to the A10 in the ZL1. So at what speeds would we expect to see a GT500 start to pass a ZL1 at WOT? And how long would it take? So around a circuit, would there even be enough room on the straights for the GT500 to not only catch the ZL1 but to pass it? And then what happens if it loses that lead?

My take is that when subjected to the same treatment the GT500 will not do as much better than the ZL1 as people think. There might be a 2-4 tenths difference in quarter mile runs if that. Around a track I don't think we'll see the ZL1 lose. And in roll races I wonder at what speeds the GT500 will pass and how far ahead it will be when that governor kicks in.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

2 things I notice with Mustangs.

First is that they always do super spectacular numbers when they are tested solo. The thing about that is those same numbers are seen with the Camaros...that is if the Camaro isn't doing better. However when they are tested side by side and are subjected to the same conditions and given the same treatment, they are not as fast as they seem. The SS was doing 11.9s in private owner hands. Yet there was no fanfare. The 18 GT comes out and runs what should be considered a private owner run, and people run those stories to death. But when both cars were tested the GT was never as fast, or faster, like the numbers suggested. Next up. Here comes the GT500 in a private owner's hand and runs a 10.6. However the ZL1 in private owner hands ran 10.9s a long time ago. Where was Car and Driver with that story? LOL! The Redeye ran 10.8s a while back. Where was all the reports? So why is it that when Ford is late as Hell to everything that has been done a long time ago, there is all this media junk surrounding it? It almost seems like the media is trying to promote the Mustang for Ford. Now if a private owner takes a new C8 to the track and busts off a 10.9 or faster, will that get the same attention?

The second thing I notice is that if the GT500 is similar to the Hellcat or Redeye in acceleration, is it really going to walk the ZL1 like people think? I doubt it. In every video of roll races with the ZL1 and Hellcats the ZL1 gets the initial hit and it takes time before the Hellcat starts to reel it back in. I'd say around 120 - 140 is where the Hellcat would start to pass. It is probably due to the small blower and 10 gears that help the ZL1 take off quicker and get an early lead. One thing I notice is that the ZL1 is instantly at full boost while the Hellcats take time with that huge blower. The GT500 will likely have it even worse considering it is a DOHC engine. Let's say Hellcats dyno 680 RWHP and the RE is around 690 RWHP. The GT500 is roughly the same weight but a little lighter. And it seems to be making around 20-ish more to the wheels. However it only has 7 speeds. And regardless of the DCT, I doubt it would be THAT superior to the A10 in the ZL1. So at what speeds would we expect to see a GT500 start to pass a ZL1 at WOT? And how long would it take? So around a circuit, would there even be enough room on the straights for the GT500 to not only catch the ZL1 but to pass it? And then what happens if it loses that lead?

My take is that when subjected to the same treatment the GT500 will not do as much better than the ZL1 as people think. There might be a 2-4 tenths difference in quarter mile runs if that. Around a track I don't think we'll see the ZL1 lose. And in roll races I wonder at what speeds the GT500 will pass and how far ahead it will be when that governor kicks in.

Remains to be seen but I think the gt500 is going to walk the zl1 in a roll race easily. It only has 7 speeds with long manual-ish gearing from 1st to 4th, but it has the power to handle the lower rev step downs on gear changes unlike a 5.0 coyote which really benefited from the a10 and it'll have less gear changes than an a10 which do take some time even on autos.

What I'm really interested to see is how the dct holds up when more power is added in the aftermarket. That will be a real test of its appeal as well I'd imagine. Idk exactly what it's rated to but I doubt it's as overbuilt as a Porsche dct. Out of the box it's a great and fast vehicle but I want to see how the dct handles real power especially considering it's on a 4000+ pound vehicle.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

I've sseen 19 gt350's for under msrp near me so people paying adm's on 20s are retarded.

Not everything is about speed, for me that's the one to have. Lighter, better balanced manual fun, on an NA motor that's fast enough for a street car.

Plus the 350 looks better imo. Besides the grill the 500 looks like any mustang, the gt350 has a much more distinct side profile with the vents as well as much better looking wheels than the base 500. The GT pp2's wheels are much better looking imo.

The gt500 is a beast and the car to get for someone who wants the most powerful and fastest and doesn't mind most likely a relatively numb experience for a mustang, but the 350 still has a market even if they're priced similarly on paper. Imo ofcourse.