[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The ZL1 is just a much better balanced car. It gets that 650 HP to the pavement more efficiently than the GT500 can get it's 760 HP under control. GM went the route of conservative HP but they put it in a package that can utilize it to the point where it can battle cars with much more HP. And the price you pay for that performance is still much better than anything that the competition can offer. That is why we have SLEs that can bang heads with Shelbys and ZL1s squaring off against cars with well over 100 more HP in the quarter mile. And even when the competition is faster it ain't by much despite the huge gap in price and HP.

I'm looking forward to a ZLE vs GT500 CFTP head to head. Hopefully MotorTrend won't screw it up.

The GT500 arrived to the party late and bench marked itself against the ZLE/ZL1. It should sweep the Camaro(s) on the track and strip. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

...and just to be a nag The Base GT500 should sweep the ZLE due to it HUGE power advantage. M6G logic from the base ZL1 M6 vs GT350R head to head.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

There was an article on autoblog a few days ago about people doing the same with the C8....suckers are born every minute

I'm on several C8 sites, pages, etc. And not one person is paying markups. There are a few dealerships that tried to get markups. But past few months that there are plenty of dealerships NOT charging markups. Quite a few dealerships are even advertising that there are no ADMs. So it is quite different on this end of things.

Originally Posted by hotlap

I'm looking forward to a ZLE vs GT500 CFTP head to head. Hopefully MotorTrend won't screw it up.

The GT500 arrived to the party late and bench marked itself against the ZLE/ZL1. It should sweep the Camaro(s) on the track and strip. It will be interesting to see how it goes.

...and just to be a nag The Base GT500 should sweep the ZLE due to it HUGE power advantage. M6G logic from the base ZL1 M6 vs GT350R head to head.

Yes. And at least a 7 tenths difference in the quarter mile.

[BlaqWhole]

Remember this lunacy??

Originally Posted by newmoon

The 4 tenths was me being kind much earlier, the number really is 7-tenths advertised 11:40 for the Camaro vs 10:70 for the 500 Per Chevy and Ford unless they are both lying. Which I am sure many in this forum will accuse them of doing at least on the Ford side .

When is Chevy going to answer back in the form of a Camaro, it's been 4 years since the intro of the 6th Gen everyone else has upped their game. Dodge with the 1320, HC bump in power, RedEye, and Demon, Ford with the 18 GT A10, 2019 GT350 & 2020 GT350R updates, and now the GT500. Its great to see what Chevy has done with the C8 and soon Z06 but what about the Camaro. Is the Camaro dead will there be a 7th Gen? If not at least offer upgrades to the present 6th Gen, I am sure they could easily bump up the power on both the SS and ZL1. Ford has announced they have pushed back their 7th Gen Mustang by several years but they are continually making updates to the present model, as is Dodge with the Challenger and Charger.

Originally Posted by newmoon

Keep the crying towel handy, your going to need it often. The best time I have ever seen published by any review of the ZL1 after nearly 4 years is 11:30s and that was one single review, everything else was 11:40s and 50s. If you have access to another, posted review show it! The 500 has several verified 10:80s, 10:90s and a 10:60s within days of its intro, many of which were 130+mph.

Please tell me that you are not bragging about the 650hp/650tq manual ZL1 that can't even beat the posted times of the 2013 GT500 because Chevy handicapped it with computer limits on launch. If you want to brag about the ZL1 please brag about the worthy model the A10.

LOL!! And what about this nonsense...??

Originally Posted by LostM

I promise you ive done more racing in 1 year than you have your whole life.

would you like to place a bet? If the c8 beats gt500 same day same track. i leave. if the c8 loses, you leave this section, never to return

good try

If there was a C8 out there that day then the GT500 would have gotten embarrassed. But we'll see what happens when they get lined up!!

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm on several C8 sites, pages, etc. And not one person is paying markups. There are a few dealerships that tried to get markups. But past few months that there are plenty of dealerships NOT charging markups. Quite a few dealerships are even advertising that there are no ADMs. So it is quite different on this end of things.

Yes. And at least a 7 tenths difference in the quarter mile.

I was just saying that there were also people trying to sell C8 allocations the same as the GT500

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yes. And at least a 7 tenths difference in the quarter mile.

Right on brother!
The GT500 is going to “hurt a lot of feelings”. Ford tried so hard. Anything less would be a disappointment.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

Why I would pick the Zl1 over the GT500. Who cares what the monikers are.

I would because I simply won't buy a Ford product.

[Evansa22]

"Venom kills demons" still echoes in my head. Not quite sure it'll even beat the redeye at this point, definitely not the demon. Think he jumped the gun on that one

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

"Venom kills demons" still echoes in my head. Not quite sure it'll even beat the redeye at this point, definitely not the demon. Think he jumped the gun on that one

Bwahaha, I totally forgot about that quote. That's a massive loaf of Oops for Ford...

[BlaqWhole]

At this point, with that 11.2, C8s kill snakes. LOL!!

Copyrighted!!

[BlaqWhole]

Newmoon and LostM been quiet lately. Where dey at tho?!

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Newmoon and LostM been quiet lately. Where dey at tho?!

I think they have their hands full with all the infighting over at M6G going on right now.

Man, the die hard Ford guys make it touch to be a car guy over there. I see why Newmoon comes over here, at least you can remain logical over here without being screamed at by a brand loyal nut hugger. Lost M is just a troll, in love with a car he can't afford.

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

I think they have their hands full with all the infighting over at M6G going on right now.

Man, the die hard Ford guys make it touch to be a car guy over there.

M6G is a sh*tshow.

I've been a Mustang guy since the 80's, and posted there for a while when we had our '17 GT, and it was impossible to have an objective discussion over there about any car other than a Mustang. There's some fanboism here, but nothing like the juvenile BS over at M6G. I haven't posted there since we bought our ZL1...

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Rodan

M6G is a sh*tshow.

I've been a Mustang guy since the 80's, and posted there for a while when we had our '17 GT, and it was impossible to have an objective discussion over there about any car other than a Mustang. There's some fanboism here, but nothing like the juvenile BS over at M6G. I haven't posted there since we bought our ZL1...

It's insane!!

The Mods needs to take control, a handful of people make that place a toxic environment full of harassment and bullying.

I honestly do consider that, as I always go back and forth on GT350 ownership. If I ever do become a Mustang owner, I would have no forum to be a part of except this one.

At least I know I would still be welcome here, no matter what I drove.

[NW-99SS]

Same reason LS1Tech was the go to for everyone who wanted a real discussion. Stang forums have been full of cancer for years.