[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You're the biggest Ford fanboy troll there is.

Horsepower matters but the gt350s 70ish horsepower advantage didn't do much for its performance over the ss 1le, straight line or lap times. Getting psc2's on the 19's made a bigger difference for that car than the horsepower. A gt350r with psc2's might put up more of a fight than you're assuming against the base gt500 on ps4's, it shouldn't but it just might.

Cool how .4 is a significant beating now vs a car with 110 less hp, but when we were discussing the more or less equal power m6 ss's 12.2/12.3 vs the m6 GT's 12.6+ that .3-.4+ wasn't significant.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok lets run this down for you. C&D and MT seem to be the go to resources for reviews of these vehicles. Lets do a quick review.

C&D(best)
1/4 mil
Camaro 1LE - 12.4 @ 116
GT350 - 12.3 @ 119

Lightning Lap
Camaro 1LE - 2.54.8
GT350R - 2.51.8

MT (Best)
1/4 mile
Camaro 1LE - 12.5 @ 115.2
GT350 - 12.3 @ 117
GT350R - 12.2 @ 119

HL - Laguna Seca
Camaro 1LE - 1.37.78
GT350 - 1.36.83
GT350R - 1.36.11

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You're the biggest Ford fanboy troll there is.

Horsepower matters but the gt350s 70ish horsepower advantage didn't do much for its performance over the ss 1le, straight line or lap times. Getting psc2's on the 19's made a bigger difference for that car than the horsepower. A gt350r with psc2's might put up more of a fight than you're assuming against the base gt500 on ps4's, it shouldn't but it just might.

Cool how .4 is a significant beating now vs a car with 110 less hp, but when we were discussing the more or less equal power m6 ss's 12.2/12.3 vs the m6 GT's 12.6+ that .3-.4+ wasn't significant.

I take him about as serious as I would a toe'd out Civic with a fart can and a wing on the back.

Ford has been making junk and the GT500 is the biggest pile they've made thus far. If anything he should be embarrassed to be a Ford guy. Shit it took me one year of S550 performance to determine that the Mustang was garbage and that was too long. LOL!!

Originally Posted by newmoon

What do we know already. We know that the BASE GT500 will absolutely smoke a ZL1 regardless of trim in the 1/4 mile. Whether its 4-tenths or 7-tenths its a significant beating.

What we don't know is whether or not a BASE 500 will beat a standard ZL1 around a track. My guess is yes based on how the R was so close the ZL1 in the prior H2H, I think the BASE 500 will be faster than the R. That 200+hp advantage is going to show up in the lap times over the prior R.

So the $94K 760 HP GT500 that took 6 years to make and that you will never own because you can't afford it, at it's best, can only manage to beat a $64K 3 year old 650 HP ZL1 by 4 tenths? And you think that is "significant"? That is not even worth bragging about. That is nothing. You had to wait 3 years to be able to afford the Shelby and that costs as much as a ZL1 and it loses by almost a full second and isn't even worthy to go around the same track as a ZL1. And on top of that, if you wanted anything from Ford that could beat a ZL1, you'd have to spend even more money than what you spent on your Shelby? How anyone can consider that a good thing is beyond me. You spent ZL1 money for SS performance and you're bragging about how something you can't afford can beat a ZL1. Ricer mentality must be running rampant amongst you Mustang boys. LOL!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok lets run this down for you. C&D and MT seem to be the go to resources for reviews of these vehicles. Lets do a quick review.

C&D(best)
1/4 mil
Camaro 1LE - 12.4 @ 116
GT350 - 12.3 @ 119

Lightning Lap
Camaro 1LE - 2.54.8
GT350R - 2.51.8

MT (Best)
1/4 mile
Camaro 1LE - 12.5 @ 115.2
GT350 - 12.3 @ 117
GT350R - 12.2 @ 119

HL - Laguna Seca
Camaro 1LE - 1.37.78
GT350 - 1.36.83
GT350R - 1.36.11

The fact that you're comparing it to the SS says a lot. But whatever you gotta tell yourself to defend your purchase that took you 3 years...

[Evansa22]

this, and again what's the price difference between the 350[r] and the ss 1le again? A real bargain

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok lets run this down for you. C&D and MT seem to be the go to resources for reviews of these vehicles. Lets do a quick review.

C&D(best)
1/4 mil
Camaro 1LE - 12.4 @ 116
GT350 - 12.3 @ 119

Lightning Lap
Camaro 1LE - 2.54.8
GT350R - 2.51.8

MT (Best)
1/4 mile
Camaro 1LE - 12.5 @ 115.2
GT350 - 12.3 @ 117
GT350R - 12.2 @ 119

HL - Laguna Seca
Camaro 1LE - 1.37.78
GT350 - 1.36.83
GT350R - 1.36.11

Ironically, everyone on this forum is begging for a SS 1LE vs GT350 H2H.

Regarding the Laguna Seca times (different day, different drivers...). Remember when the ZL1 ran a 2% slower lap the day it was matched against the GT350R? ...compared to what the same ZL1 ran weeks earlier with the same driver? The SS 1LE’s lap is only 1.7% slower than the GT350R lap in the examples you just posted.

$44,495 SS 1LE msrp 2020
$60,235 GT350 msrp 2020 (+$15,740)
$68,230 GT350R msrp 2020 (+23,735)

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Ironically, everyone on this forum is begging for a SS 1LE vs GT350 H2H.

Regarding the Laguna Seca times (different day, different drivers...). Remember when the ZL1 ran a 2% slower lap the day it was matched against the GT350R? ...compared to what the same ZL1 ran weeks earlier with the same driver? The SS 1LE’s lap is only 1.7% slower than the GT350R lap in the examples you just posted.

$44,495 SS 1LE msrp 2020
$60,235 GT350 msrp 2020 (+$15,740)
$68,230 GT350R msrp 2020 (+23,735)

He also failed to mention the GT350 time at LS was the new upgrade to the R compound cup2 tires on the 2019. So they needed to add these tires for it to beat the 1le.

[BlaqWhole]

And the 2020 Motor Trend COTY award goes to...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...r-of-the-year/

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I take him about as serious as I would a toe'd out Civic with a fart can and a wing on the back.

Ford has been making junk and the GT500 is the biggest pile they've made thus far. If anything he should be embarrassed to be a Ford guy. Shit it took me one year of S550 performance to determine that the Mustang was garbage and that was too long. LOL!!



So the $94K 760 HP GT500 that took 6 years to make and that you will never own because you can't afford it, at it's best, can only manage to beat a $64K 3 year old 650 HP ZL1 by 4 tenths? And you think that is "significant"? That is not even worth bragging about. That is nothing. You had to wait 3 years to be able to afford the Shelby and that costs as much as a ZL1 and it loses by almost a full second and isn't even worthy to go around the same track as a ZL1. And on top of that, if you wanted anything from Ford that could beat a ZL1, you'd have to spend even more money than what you spent on your Shelby? How anyone can consider that a good thing is beyond me. You spent ZL1 money for SS performance and you're bragging about how something you can't afford can beat a ZL1. Ricer mentality must be running rampant amongst you Mustang boys. LOL!!

Another quality statement!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

He also failed to mention the GT350 time at LS was the new upgrade to the R compound cup2 tires on the 2019. So they needed to add these tires for it to beat the 1le.

Wait now tires are an excuse? All this time we heard the 6th Gen 1LE was so magical its tire advantage wasn't important. Remember that was when the GT was running 275/255 combo. Funny thing is when Ford decided to add a tire as well the GT's PP2 posted a faster LL. So let me get this straight a tire advantage is only acceptable when the Camaro has it.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Another quality statement!

Coming from someone who does nothing but talk shit...

[BlaqWhole]

The funny thing is that after all the ranting and raving that the mags did for the GT500 and after basically trashing the C8, the C8 managed to end up as the 2020 COTY. So I wonder what went wrong with the GT500 that after 6 years and with 760 HP and after all the rave reviews it couldn't pull off the victory. It is "faster" than the C8 since it is a 10.6 second car bone stock. And the C8 brakes horribly and has atrocious understeer. And the GT500 is the performance value instead of the C8. So with all those in it's favor, how did it still manage to lose to the C8 in what should have been an assured victory? Maybe 6 years wasn't enough.

WHat gets me is that when tested the GT500 is going to do low 11s. Maybe someone might squeak out a high 10. But the $60K C8 will be right there. And no matter how anyone tries to defend the Shelby, the fact remains that there will be a much cheaper version of a lower HP Camaro that will beat a version of the GT500 at something. And they all will beat it at top speed. So WTF is going on with Ferd that after more than half a decade they still can't get things right? And then there's the overpriced GT350R that can't beat 2 cars that are cheaper than it at anything. I mean, come on. What are they going to run to when the higher trim C8s come out? And at this point GM won't even need a 7th Gen Camaro to whup the GT500's ass.

[NW-99SS]

Didn't newmoon just confirm that it costs more in a Ford to beat a Chevy while also requiring more HP?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Didn't newmoon just confirm that it costs more in a Ford to beat a Chevy while also requiring more HP?

Yes! Well, except if it's a GT350 that took him 3 years to buy vs the SS...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So the $94K 760 HP GT500 that took 6 years to make and that you will never own because you can't afford it, at it's best, can only manage to beat a $64K 3 year old 650 HP ZL1 by 4 tenths? And you think that is "significant"?

If you want to be technical it will be the 73,990 GT500 beating the 66,690 A10 ZL1 by 4 tenths.

Carry on lol

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And the 2020 Motor Trend COTY award goes to...

https://www.motortrend.com/news/chev...r-of-the-year/

Impressive, congrats to GM especially since it was a preproduction car that other mags had little issues with. That is great for GM to win COTY. It was a pretty stacked field this year.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The funny thing is that after all the ranting and raving that the mags did for the GT500 and after basically trashing the C8, the C8 managed to end up as the 2020 COTY. So I wonder what went wrong with the GT500 that after 6 years and with 760 HP and after all the rave reviews it couldn't pull off the victory.

The GT500 was not in the COTY field that's why. MT and the other magazines have not been given test cars yet for the GT500 only the press event Ford held. And even if it was available for testing I don't think it would qualify for COTY as it is just a new trim and not an all new model/generation

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

WHat gets me is that when tested the GT500 is going to do low 11s. Maybe someone might squeak out a high 10. But the $60K C8 will be right there.

No argument there, the C8 is an incredible vehicle.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

the fact remains that there will be a much cheaper version of a lower HP Camaro that will beat a version of the GT500 at something. And they all will beat it at top speed.

The only fact there is top speed. Until there is testing out that is just speculation. You may be right, you may be wrong. Don't call something a fact until it is proven true.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And then there's the overpriced GT350R that can't beat 2 cars that are cheaper than it at anything. I mean, come on. What are they going to run to when the higher trim C8s come out? And at this point GM won't even need a 7th Gen Camaro to whup the GT500's ass.

Yes the GT350R and 350 may not be the ultimate in performance per dollar. But there is something I think you seem to overlook. You seem to only look at all out performance as the only factor that matters. ( and if that is all that matters to you or is your most important criteria more power to you) You don't seem to care about any other factors a car offers

C8 may have won Motortrend car of the year but lost to a Hyundai in Road & Track PERFORMANCE car of the year.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...r-of-the-year/

a performance car doesn't have to just offer the best performance- if thats all that matter to you great but to alot of other people its how they feel when driving the car. I am just saying it seems that you seem to overlook that fact and dismiss anyone's opinion that says that is what matters to them by saying a car like the GT350/R is waste because it's not a the best in it's price range. Just saying that's the way it looks. Like I said if for you all out performance is all that matters that's great, if it presses all the right buttons for other people let them enjoy it

Example not related to cars, my favorite movie of 2019 was Godzilla King Of The Monsters critics hated it casual movie goers were meh about it, I loved every second of it.