Still die hard ZL1 fan and owner ! The new GT500 impressed

Revalot · 10-30-2019, 09:21 PM

Let me say 1st, I love my ZL1/1LE and the only car that I love more is my 1972 chevelle with a 6.0 that I still plan on turbo charging. The New GT500 was tested on the 1/4, 10.60 at 130 mph, that's great and faster than a Z06 LT4 auto. The performance world is on fire ! It's great for the market, And maybe a LT5 will come down the pipe line. Or a Z06 with 750+ Then a ZR1, But I'm good with my car.

ZRacerLE · 10-30-2019, 10:06 PM

GT500 is an excellent car. Still waiting for those lap times...

Blu Ray · 10-30-2019, 11:13 PM

+$25K Dealer Mark up = $100K, No thanks

BlaqWhole · 10-30-2019, 11:19 PM

The killer is the price (markups attached) and availability (very very limited) make it unattainable by anyone but the wealthy. It might as well be a R8 or Nismo GTR or ZR1 or a Gallardo at this point. At the price they will be going for I'd pick any one of several different cars that perform the same or better.

BanOne · 10-30-2019, 11:39 PM

I wonder if the fit and finish will be any better on the 500, the 350 is not so good.

Markoz28 · 10-31-2019, 07:28 AM

At 100k with mark ups it’s not worth it to me as I would be nodding it. If for a low depreciation value it might be a good deal as they hold their value pretty good for many years.

With that being said I will be purchasing a C8 zo6 within 3 years and I’m sure it’ll be up in the 120k range. Not buying it for an investment purpose but more for it all out performance. I so hope it’s a twin turbo!

minn19 · 10-31-2019, 08:14 AM

Even though I agree with most about the criticisms of Ford and the 'Stang variants there is nothing wrong with liking other cars from other brands.

As I told my wife, I only said vows to her, but not a specific car or brand.

jvandy50 · 10-31-2019, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BanOne

I wonder if the fit and finish will be any better on the 500, the 350 is not so good.

I really really hope so, but i think we all know it won’t be.

I won’t lie I’d love to test drive one for a week or so and see if i became bored with the DCT. Pretty sure i know the answer, but I’d try it anyway...ya know, if anyone wants to give their 500 up for a week

Badmojo · 10-31-2019, 09:20 AM

I'm impressed, but keep in mind that they used the base car (normal aero) on the drag strip and the CF Track Pack on the road course. The Track Pack car sounds like the one to get, but it is even more limited and will have higher ADM. This will result in most of the Track Pack cars avoiding the track. Kudos to the few that are used as intended.

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Checkmate1 · 10-31-2019, 09:22 AM

ZLE is 3830 lb (6MT). GT500 is 4200 +/- (DCT Only).

For perspective, the AWD M5 with DCT is 4090 lb.

If I go > 4000lb, the 4 Dr M5 gets my vote.

Chris357 · 10-31-2019, 09:57 AM

There's no doubt GT500 is impressive and quite an accomplishment by Ford. I don't think anyone is surprised it is faster in the 1/4 than the ZL1 given it has over 100hp advantage.

I do think the Ford's weight was a bit of a surprise and it does tamp down the 1/4 performance advantage a bit. For example, I would have expected the trap speed to be more than 4-5mph greater.

But as other's have mentioned, the real test is on the track. The ZL1 has shown it can shine against supposedly more capable cars, the GM Alpha chassis continues to be a gem. If Randy Pobst thinks the GT350 is twitchy and nervous and the ZL1 is composed then how much more nuts is the GT500 going to be (and therefore harder to drive at the limit)?

I would love to see an LT5 ZL1 but I'm not holding my breath. Right now Camaro is on stasis/life support and I don't think GM is interested in pumping significant money into the platform right now (because I don't think they really know what they're going to do with Camaro after 2023).

minn19 · 10-31-2019, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jvandy50

I really really hope so, but i think we all know it won’t be.

I won’t lie I’d love to test drive one for a week or so and see if i became bored with the DCT. Pretty sure i know the answer, but I’d try it anyway...ya know, if anyone wants to give their 500 up for a week

Can you imagine paying ADM/north of 100k and all the fitment issues etc...........

Quote:

Originally Posted by Checkmate1

ZLE is 3830 lb (6MT). GT500 is 4200 +/- (DCT Only).

For perspective, the AWD M5 with DCT is 4090 lb.

If I go > 4000lb, the 4 Dr M5 gets my vote.

Especially if they are asking M5 money for it. Maybe look at a CTS-V to.

FH212 · 10-31-2019, 10:12 AM

Great times indeed! And they thought the Muscle car wars died in the 70's.....

I dont want it to ever end!

Scottyz · 10-31-2019, 10:28 AM

The old musclecar war had far more variety from the big three. But the cars are far better, capable and efficient than back then.
I’m not surprised the GT500 is faster in the quarter. It should be with over 100 more horsepower.
I think it’s a cool car. I’m not a Ford guy though so I wouldn’t look into buying one.

10-30-2019, 09:21 PM	#1
Revalot Drives: ZL1/1LE parts added Join Date: May 2018 Location: Somewhere around Texas pines tress and smooth asphalt Posts: 624	Still die hard ZL1 fan and owner ! The new GT500 impressed Let me say 1st, I love my ZL1/1LE and the only car that I love more is my 1972 chevelle with a 6.0 that I still plan on turbo charging. The New GT500 was tested on the 1/4, 10.60 at 130 mph, that's great and faster than a Z06 LT4 auto. The performance world is on fire ! It's great for the market, And maybe a LT5 will come down the pipe line. Or a Z06 with 750+ Then a ZR1, But I'm good with my car.

10-30-2019, 11:13 PM	#3
Blu Ray ALWAYS-N-BOOST Drives: 2021 ZLE A10 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Alpine, NJ Posts: 2,375	+$25K Dealer Mark up = $100K, No thanks __________________ 2012 1LS M6 Black-Sold 2013 2LT M6 BluRay- Sold 2015 1SS 1LE M6 Black-Sold 2021 ZLE A10 Riverside Blue - Awaiting Arrival 01/10

10-31-2019, 09:20 AM	#9
Badmojo aka BeastZL1 Drives: 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE, 2004 Cobra Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: NC Posts: 1,135	I'm impressed, but keep in mind that they used the base car (normal aero) on the drag strip and the CF Track Pack on the road course. The Track Pack car sounds like the one to get, but it is even more limited and will have higher ADM. This will result in most of the Track Pack cars avoiding the track. Kudos to the few that are used as intended. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ 2019 Camaro ZL1 1LE Racing for ALS Youtube Link

10-31-2019, 09:22 AM	#10
Checkmate1 Drives: Garnet Red / ZL1 1LE Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: USA Posts: 502	ZLE is 3830 lb (6MT). GT500 is 4200 +/- (DCT Only). For perspective, the AWD M5 with DCT is 4090 lb. If I go > 4000lb, the 4 Dr M5 gets my vote. __________________ #SAVETHEMANUALS

10-31-2019, 09:57 AM	#11
Chris357 Drives: 2018 ZL1 Garnet Red A10 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Nashville, Tennessee Posts: 151 View My Garage	There's no doubt GT500 is impressive and quite an accomplishment by Ford. I don't think anyone is surprised it is faster in the 1/4 than the ZL1 given it has over 100hp advantage. I do think the Ford's weight was a bit of a surprise and it does tamp down the 1/4 performance advantage a bit. For example, I would have expected the trap speed to be more than 4-5mph greater. But as other's have mentioned, the real test is on the track. The ZL1 has shown it can shine against supposedly more capable cars, the GM Alpha chassis continues to be a gem. If Randy Pobst thinks the GT350 is twitchy and nervous and the ZL1 is composed then how much more nuts is the GT500 going to be (and therefore harder to drive at the limit)? I would love to see an LT5 ZL1 but I'm not holding my breath. Right now Camaro is on stasis/life support and I don't think GM is interested in pumping significant money into the platform right now (because I don't think they really know what they're going to do with Camaro after 2023). __________________ 2018 ZL1 Red Hot A10 (SOLD 1/21) 2001 Corvette Z06 Quicksilver Heads/Cam/Longtubes 443rwhp (SOLD 5/23) 2018 ZL1 Garnet Red A10 (SOLD 4/25) 2003 Corvette Z06 Torch Red bone stock 60k mi

10-30-2019, 10:06 PM	#2
ZRacerLE Drives: The DSSV Twins: ZR2 and ZLE A10 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: TX Posts: 889	GT500 is an excellent car. Still waiting for those lap times...

10-30-2019, 11:19 PM	#4
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	The killer is the price (markups attached) and availability (very very limited) make it unattainable by anyone but the wealthy. It might as well be a R8 or Nismo GTR or ZR1 or a Gallardo at this point. At the price they will be going for I'd pick any one of several different cars that perform the same or better.

10-30-2019, 11:39 PM	#5
BanOne Drives: 1977 Pontiac Trans Am Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Florida Posts: 219	I wonder if the fit and finish will be any better on the 500, the 350 is not so good.

10-31-2019, 07:28 AM	#6
Markoz28 Drives: 18 ZL1 nightfall grey A10 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,527	At 100k with mark ups it’s not worth it to me as I would be nodding it. If for a low depreciation value it might be a good deal as they hold their value pretty good for many years. With that being said I will be purchasing a C8 zo6 within 3 years and I’m sure it’ll be up in the 120k range. Not buying it for an investment purpose but more for it all out performance. I so hope it’s a twin turbo!

10-31-2019, 08:14 AM	#7
minn19 Drives: 22 ZL1, 20 Taco, 20 Cayenne S Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: MN Posts: 624	Even though I agree with most about the criticisms of Ford and the 'Stang variants there is nothing wrong with liking other cars from other brands. As I told my wife, I only said vows to her, but not a specific car or brand.

10-31-2019, 10:12 AM	#13
FH212 Drives: 2015 Camaro Z/28 Join Date: May 2009 Location: NM Posts: 930	Great times indeed! And they thought the Muscle car wars died in the 70's..... I dont want it to ever end! __________________ 2015 Camaro Z/28 - Red Hot 1978 Trans Am Y88 Special Edition 400/4 speed 2001 Mecham Trans Am #3 - 7.0L LS1

10-31-2019, 10:28 AM	#14
Scottyz 2019 ZL1 1LE MY GOON Drives: 1980 Z28 Big Red. Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Stoney Creek Posts: 2,061	The old musclecar war had far more variety from the big three. But the cars are far better, capable and efficient than back then. I’m not surprised the GT500 is faster in the quarter. It should be with over 100 more horsepower. I think it’s a cool car. I’m not a Ford guy though so I wouldn’t look into buying one.

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