[Rodan]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I'm starting to feel like a broken record.

Well, you've sounded like one for a long time. Same BS, over and over and over...

You pick your 'facts' like a Democrat...

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Ok...I’ll bite. What’s “suspect” about the slip. Nothing seems out of order to me. If it’s the date, we all know that Evan did his 10.6 / 133 run at an earlier date and kept it under embargo. So besides the date, what’s the issue?

If Evan ran that time seven months ago, there's no way that was a production spec car.

In the video, no time is ever shown on the lights.

It does raise questions, given Evan's past behavior.

[GuywithL86]

Doubt it will beat a zl1 1le lap time

Gt500 will for sure be the more fun car to drive, but zle is like more like a souless laptime terminator. Nothing even comes remotely close to it in lap time to power/weight ratio except a corvette grand sport.

Alpha chassis + multimatic and spool valve dampeners + stickiest street tires available + downforce = Unbeatable in lap times unless you crush it’s power to weight and give it more downforce.

I doubt a gt500 is going to do that, maybe it will though

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Ok...I’ll bite. What’s “suspect” about the slip. Nothing seems out of order to me. If it’s the date, we all know that Evan did his 10.6 / 133 run at an earlier date and kept it under embargo. So besides the date, what’s the issue?

A few things - the lower slips show consistent 1/8 mph and 1000'.

Second, the 60' was the quickest on the 10.6 slip. More often than not, quicker 60' at the same power level = lower mph but quicker ET. The 10.6 slip also had the fastest MPH by 3 mph which all of the lower slips were consistent around 130.

Anyway - I said it would run 10's on a prepped track. I won't take Evan's run as what the GT500 will run normally at a track...it's a hero run until someone can match it (cough 9.65 Demon cough). Evan has made plenty of fast passes in Chevy's as well that Ford guys immediately ignore. Not sure why we are leg humping him when the shoe is on the other foot?

Mag tests = 11.2-11.2

Prepped track private tests = 10.89 ish

Well done Ford, other than price, it runs well in drag mode.

I will reserve CF TP judgement against the A10 ZLE until we get some actual comparisons on track, same day, same driver...but I will say, the CF TP better DAMN well run away from the ZLE at the cost differential - this isn't anywhere near a bargain if it isn't seconds faster at any road course with the cost to get into one.

[joe944]

I'm stoked to run into some of these on the streets, even if I don't stand a chance. And why would anyone expect a car that came out 3 years ago to keep up with the brand new GT500?

These cars belong to different generations, they are not really comparable. It is kind of a pity that Ford and GM stagger their releases so that their vehicles cannot be truly compared apples to apples. The supercharger on the GT500 is nearly twice the size, LOL.

The MPH on these runs is not really surprising either. Look at the GT vs SS performance. Acceleration tips to the Camaro at lower speeds and the GT at higher speeds, so with the GT500 we are going to see those differences exaggerated even more. Similar 0-60, though.

[Bhobbs]

The GT500 came out 4 years later and isn’t restricted like the ZL1. No one should be shocked the GT500 is faster.

It seems Ford did a great job, whether it runs 10.6 or 10.9.

[Rodan]

This article: https://www.hotrod.com/articles/1061...500-dragstrip/ implies the Florida test took place after Vegas.

So, why is the timeslip dated in April?

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL! Just joking to show you what a petty statement would look like.

I'm not concerned with any subjective views on any of these cars shaffe and you know that. I've not once taken those statements seriously even when it was in favor of the Camaro. Like when they posted favorably in regards to how the SLE feels compared to the GT PP2. I never took those statements to be anything other than someone else's opinion. You know that fully well also. I have always taken the objective data as being the only relevant information for me. And I have always stated that the performance of these cars is all that matters. The objective data and the performance so far shows the Z51 and the ZL1 as being superior cars to the GT500. I have not seen anything to change my mind on that. If you'd care to debate it then I'll do so. But don't try to paint me as some petty whiny punk who is mad about a favorable review for the GT500. Hell, they loved the GT350R and placed it as the winner of the H2H and I've acknowledged that time and again. In fact I am glad that they love the GT500 as much as they do. Ford has been soo far behind the game for soo long that they need this win. Good for them. But you need to give me some credit here man.

HAHA it's all good my man, I just wanted to poke the bear. I am very curious to see what kind of lap times they get out of the CFTP. For all the high praise the journalists are giving it, they seem to be putting it pretty high on the totem poll based on first drives, but lets not forget the CFTP is a 18K option. It better perform and IMO it better perform very well.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

All the reviews have talked about how awesome the car is on a track and curvy roads, and not focused as much on the 1/4 mile times. Why else would both C&D and MT compare it to a 911 GT2 RS? I think it was MT that said it has a good chance of winning the best driver's car next year - and it will get compared to super cars in that competition.

The C8's 11.1 is impressive and no doubt helped massively by the ME layout, but the base GT500's 133 mph trap speed is more impressive, at $74k whether you like Evan's 10.6 sec run or not (975' DA). No other car in the world comes close to that 133 mph trap speed for the same money. The very best Redeye test I've seen is 128 mph. Slap some slicks on the GT500 and it's likely a low 10 sec. car. Slap some slicks on the C8 Z51 and it's still a 11.1 sec car (or maybe 11.0).

I will respectfully disagree, I think the C8 0-60 and 1/4 is more impressive mostly because it's a lot better than I thought it would be. I expected the GT500 to be in the 10s. I did not expect the C8 to be an 11.1 car. I was thinking 11.3-11.4 so to me in pure acceleration based on personal expectations, C8 is more impressive to me.

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

You keep saying things that are NOT true, please cut it out!!!

Its NOT a 8k difference!!
its a 30k DIFFERENCE

I paid 58k for my ZL1 A10 and If I price a GT500 with MY options its 88k.

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

But Idaho, that's the thing in a nutshell, most of us here didn't pay MSRP. A lot of us paid what I paid give or take 2 or 3k.
It's not like I got a great deal, its kind of normal. I'm not disputing times and HP with you at all. I'm just saying the new GT500 is kind of a tough sell to a ZL1 guy. Price gap is pretty significant for a "pony car". Until 2020 the prices for the 13/14 zl1 and gt500 was very close so you can buy what you want. NOW its a different ball game, its almost like Ford is saying FU to the ZL1 and is going after the C8 price wise. How can you cross shop a ZL1 and GT500? Price is way off.
/end of rant, LOL

I get what you are saying, but I think when comparing cars you need to talk MSRP to MSRP.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The cftp gt500 will be an awesome handling car for sure, especially for a 4000 pound boat but in general also. Even if it doesn't beat the zl1 1le it'll still be praised, and it's not out of the question that it could beat it. The base will be good for sliding around all over the place.

I am very curious to see what kind of times it puts down.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The GT500 came out 4 years later and isn’t restricted like the ZL1. No one should be shocked the GT500 is faster.

It seems Ford did a great job, whether it runs 10.6 or 10.9.

It did what it should

[bobby35ny]

Originally Posted by shaffe

HAHA it's all good my man, I just wanted to poke the bear. I am very curious to see what kind of lap times they get out of the CFTP. For all the high praise the journalists are giving it, they seem to be putting it pretty high on the totem poll based on first drives, but lets not forget the CFTP is a 18K option. It better perform and IMO it better perform very well.



I will respectfully disagree, I think the C8 0-60 and 1/4 is more impressive mostly because it's a lot better than I thought it would be. I expected the GT500 to be in the 10s. I did not expect the C8 to be an 11.1 car. I was thinking 11.3-11.4 so to me in pure acceleration based on personal expectations, C8 is more impressive to me.





I get what you are saying, but I think when comparing cars you need to talk MSRP to MSRP.




I am very curious to see what kind of times it puts down.



It did what it should

I disagree what you said about MSRP vs MSRP....
Who cares about MSRP? its really how much it affected your bank account on price paid. We paid 58k and you will pay 78+ adm.

I will even lower the estimate money spent.. is it WORTH paying 20k to you out of your bank account to be faster than a ZL1?

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I disagree what you said about MSRP vs MSRP....
Who cares about MSRP? its really how much it affected your bank account on price paid. We paid 58k and you will pay 78+ adm.

I will even lower the estimate money spent.. is it WORTH paying 20k to you out of your bank account to be faster than a ZL1?

MSRP is the only valuable comparison. Otherwise, you throw in variables like discounts and ability to negotiate.

Additionally, ADM is a dealer thing and has nothing to do with the manufacturer.

An important difference is while one camp is bragging about a car they can't afford, the other camp is out driving their cars.

[Rodan]

MSRP means far less than what a person actually has to pay for the car.

If you are going to compare MSRP, than the cars need to be equivalently equipped. All I see the Mustang guys shouting here is the base, no options GT500 @ $74k, which is nonsense.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by Rodan

MSRP means far less than what a person actually has to pay for the car.

If you are going to compare MSRP, than the cars need to be equivalently equipped. All I see the Mustang guys shouting here is the base, no options GT500 @ $74k, which is nonsense.

And they're the same guys who pointed to the 3LT C8 being tested with 90K msrp saying "See! GM was lying when they said the C8 was 60k!!111!"

[LARRY01Z28]

id rather have a ZL1

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by bobby35ny

I disagree what you said about MSRP vs MSRP....
Who cares about MSRP? its really how much it affected your bank account on price paid. We paid 58k and you will pay 78+ adm.

I will even lower the estimate money spent.. is it WORTH paying 20k to you out of your bank account to be faster than a ZL1?

You are the one comparing what you paid to MSRP of another vehicle, IMO that is not a fair comparison. When all of the magazines do their comparison tests they aren't going to put an * next to the ZL1 and say well most people get 6 to 8k off so the as tested MSRP price shouldn't be 66K it might be 58K depending on how well you can negotiate and how much cash is on the hood.

If we are going to take account what people paid when comparing cars might as well take into account youtube videos of 100% "stock" cars or believe everybody on every fast list ever

Originally Posted by ST1LE

MSRP is the only valuable comparison. Otherwise, you throw in variables like discounts and ability to negotiate.

Additionally, ADM is a dealer thing and has nothing to do with the manufacturer.

An important difference is while one camp is bragging about a car they can't afford, the other camp is out driving their cars.

This guy gets it ^