[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If they did offer up the LT5 or even an updated/upgraded LT4 or some LT5-ish type engine then it is hard to say if I'd ditch my 17 ZL1 or not. I do feel like even tho this car has "only" 650 HP it is just soo well balanced that it performs as if it has much more. I would hate to get rid of it. I do feel like LTs, small pulley upgrade, and 93 octane tune are in my future. And I would probably do that even if an upgraded ZL1 pops up in a year or two. But I highly doubt it will. If a 7th Gen is in the works then GM has already moved on from the 6th gen. But if the 7th Gen is not gonna happen then I do think we just might see the ZL1 get an upgrade.





I'm not saying the car won't hit 10s. I'm saying I doubt it will do so bone stock off the dealership floor. If it already has then as of right now there is no proof. So we can speculate that it has or say that someone said it did or whatever. But until there is hard evidence that it did in fact run a 10, it is not a 10 sec car. So I'm not calling it a 10 sec car prematurely. When it hits 10s then I'll acknowledge it.

The GT500 will be an Evans special and get the workover that the 18 GT got. They will take it out to the best track on the best possible day somewhere here in the Northeast and will run it all day with different tire pressures and launching it at different RPMs and they will gun for the best possible quarter mile time. The C8 Z51 will not get close to the same treatment. But I think the C8 will manage a high 10. If both cars are tested on the same day same track and are given the same attention then I think the C8 will beat the GT500 in the quarter mile. I also think the fact that the $65K 495 HP C8 is this close to a $95K 760 HP GT500 in the first place is outstanding.

You really need to stop with the cheating accusations, it really makes you look bad. If you want to bad mouth the car that is fine but to flat out make completely unfounded personal accusations is ridiculous.

The car is most likely going to post 10s tomorrow in the base package, let's see how close it will get to the 10:80s posted by the 135k ZR1.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You really need to stop with the cheating accusations, it really makes you look bad. If you want to bad mouth the car that is fine but to flat out make completely unfounded personal accusations is ridiculous.

The car is most likely going to post 10s tomorrow in the base package, let's see how close it will get to the 10:80s posted by the 135k ZR1.

There’s a big difference between the ZR1 10.8 time vs what the gt500 is doing. The only way to compare the 2 is see the same mag that did the ZR1 also do the GT500.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

You really need to stop with the cheating accusations, it really makes you look bad. If you want to bad mouth the car that is fine but to flat out make completely unfounded personal accusations is ridiculous.

The car is most likely going to post 10s tomorrow in the base package, let's see how close it will get to the 10:80s posted by the 135k ZR1.

First off homie, after all the things you've said about the ZL1 and SS do you really expect me to clap and applaud a 5 year late to the class $100K OTD Mustang? Not gonna happen. You have your harsh criticisms of the Camaro and I say what I say about the Mustang. Get over it.

Second. I never said they cheated nor did I accuse them of such. I said that the C8 will not get the same treatment as the GT500 is going to get. And it isn't. It already isn't getting the same treatment since for days now you've been talking about DA and 10-30 MPH winds and all the ifs and possibilities for the GT500. The C8 ran 11.1 and not one person tried to talk it up with DA or how it will be faster if this or if that and yada yada. Give both cars the same treatment, put them both on the same track, and wind them both out to get the best time they both can get. That is what I said. And if such a thing happens then I bet we'll see the C8 run a better time. And I bet under those conditions the GT500 won't be much faster than the ZL1. If it runs 10s then it runs 10s. I still doubt it will. And I for sure doubt it will beat the ZR1 if both are ran on the same track same day in the same manner.

If it runs 10s then it runs 10s. It should since the Hellcat did it way back in 2015 with less HP, more weight, and at $35K less. It isn't doing anything special or extraordinary. And there is an entire list of cars that have been doing that for years now. The M5, GTR, ZR1, to name a few. Sorry if I'm not impressed that in 2020 a $100K Mustang with 760 HP finally managed to do it.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

First off homie, after all the things you've said about the ZL1 and SS do you really expect me to clap and applaud a 5 year late to the class $100K OTD Mustang? Not gonna happen. You have your harsh criticisms of the Camaro and I say what I say about the Mustang. Get over it.

Second. I never said they cheated nor did I accuse them of such. I said that the C8 will not get the same treatment as the GT500 is going to get. And it isn't. It already isn't getting the same treatment since for days now you've been talking about DA and 10-30 MPH winds and all the ifs and possibilities for the GT500. The C8 ran 11.1 and not one person tried to talk it up with DA or how it will be faster if this or if that and yada yada. Give both cars the same treatment, put them both on the same track, and wind them both out to get the best time they both can get. That is what I said. And if such a thing happens then I bet we'll see the C8 run a better time. And I bet under those conditions the GT500 won't be much faster than the ZL1. If it runs 10s then it runs 10s. I still doubt it will. And I for sure doubt it will beat the ZR1 if both are ran on the same track same day in the same manner.

If it runs 10s then it runs 10s. It should since the Hellcat did it way back in 2015 with less HP, more weight, and at $35K less. It isn't doing anything special or extraordinary. And there is an entire list of cars that have been doing that for years now. The M5, GTR, ZR1, to name a few. Sorry if I'm not impressed that in 2020 a $100K Mustang with 760 HP finally managed to do it.

You have no idea how moronic these statements are. Now the base GT500 is $35k more expensive than the Hellcat? Ridiculous. And now the GT500 is a $100k car? Why do you pick and choose the price of the top trim with additional options as the price of the car to try to make your point? I think you forgot the base model is $73k. The M5 and GTR have AWD, obviously a major difference with traction, as with the ME C8. Besides, the GTR isn't even a 10 second car. Fastest test I saw was 11.2 seconds with AWD. Maybe I missed the 10 second tests. The ZR1 hasn't been "doing it for years", it is a 2019 model. You act as if 10 sec cars are everywhere, but the M5s, newer 911 turbos, Lamborghini Huracans, Ferrari Pistas, and other 10 sec cars of the world are few and far between.

This press event was far from a "let's see if any of these people can get a fast run". Each person only got 3 runs and as soon as they finished their 3 runs, the next one was in and moving onto their runs. They hot lapped the cars all day from what I've read on M6G. Hardly qualifies as "special treatment". If someone like Evan wants to run the GT500 on a strip and get a good time, there is nothing wrong with that.

No one is arguing with the C8 11.1 run or the DA, or anything, because it is corrected, making it an even playing field. Just like the 11.5 @ 125 mph for the ZL1 auto by both C&D and MT is corrected. Just like all of the magazine times that we have all quoted many times as the official numbers. The reason you can compare them is because they are corrected. You'll see tomorrow the base GT500 running 10s at a ~2000' DA, uncorrected.

You said "if it runs 10s then it runs 10s" as if it's no big deal for a FE RWD car to run 10s on "street" tires. I know of two factory cars that have ever done that in magazine tests - the '19 ZR1 and the Ferrari 812 Superfast (probably the best looking car ever made IMO). IIRC the Hellcat variants haven't cracked even close into the 10s in the major magazine tests. 10s is fast in this configuration anyway you slice it for a factory car. You keep saying that so when it does show it runs 10s at 2000 DA you can be like, "well, I did say it might run 10s" so you can pretend it's a common occurrence or not a noteworthy accomplishment with a $73k car. Either stand by your claim it will be no faster (or barely faster) than a ZL1, or admit it will likely come out tomorrow that it is a 10 second car.

Regarding "how long" something takes to get out...what about the fact that the current ZL1 is still no faster than the 2013 GT500 with ultra tall gearing? I mean, at least be consistent with your arguments. A 2020 GT500 will be a 1/2 second faster or greater than the 2017 ZL1 A10, while the 2017 ZL1 is no faster than a 2013 GT500. See the logic on the timing? Nevermind, you probably won't.

The only thing you said that passes muster is the GT500 vs a ZR1 on same day same track same driver. Yes, a 3,600 lbs car with 755 hp (that starts at over $120k) will likely be faster than a 4,200 lbs car with 760 hp (that starts at $73k). It's not rocket science to make that claim.

Rant over.

[crysalis_01]

So I guess this will be a thing.

https://youtu.be/KEsted6S8kg

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

You have no idea how moronic these statements are. Now the base GT500 is $35k more expensive than the Hellcat? Ridiculous. And now the GT500 is a $100k car? Why do you pick and choose the price of the top trim with additional options as the price of the car to try to make your point? I think you forgot the base model is $73k. The M5 and GTR have AWD, obviously a major difference with traction, as with the ME C8. Besides, the GTR isn't even a 10 second car. Fastest test I saw was 11.2 seconds with AWD. Maybe I missed the 10 second tests. The ZR1 hasn't been "doing it for years", it is a 2019 model. You act as if 10 sec cars are everywhere, but the M5s, newer 911 turbos, Lamborghini Huracans, Ferrari Pistas, and other 10 sec cars of the world are few and far between.

You need to learn to read. The 2015 Hellcat, which I clearly referred to, had a MSRP of around $60K. The 2020 CF GT500, which I was talking about, has a MSRP of $93K. So I was off by a couple thousand. Also I said the CF GT500 OTD (Out The Door) price which includes taxes and tags will be about $100K. That is what the damn thing costs. MSRP to MSRP it is about $33K more expensive than the 2015 Hellcat was back 5 years ago. And if you go buy a CF version you will be paying $100K for one. Learn to read and do simple math.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

This press event was far from a "let's see if any of these people can get a fast run". Each person only got 3 runs and as soon as they finished their 3 runs, the next one was in and moving onto their runs. They hot lapped the cars all day from what I've read on M6G. Hardly qualifies as "special treatment". If someone like Evan wants to run the GT500 on a strip and get a good time, there is nothing wrong with that.

I wasn't even talking about Evans when I mentioned the press event so WTF are you talking about dude?

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

No one is arguing with the C8 11.1 run or the DA, or anything, because it is corrected, making it an even playing field. Just like the 11.5 @ 125 mph for the ZL1 auto by both C&D and MT is corrected. Just like all of the magazine times that we have all quoted many times as the official numbers. The reason you can compare them is because they are corrected. You'll see tomorrow the base GT500 running 10s at a ~2000' DA, uncorrected.

I have no idea WTF you're talking about here.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

You said "if it runs 10s then it runs 10s" as if it's no big deal for a FE RWD car to run 10s on "street" tires. I know of two factory cars that have ever done that in magazine tests - the '19 ZR1 and the Ferrari 812 Superfast (probably the best looking car ever made IMO). IIRC the Hellcat variants haven't cracked even close into the 10s in the major magazine tests. 10s is fast in this configuration anyway you slice it for a factory car. You keep saying that so when it does show it runs 10s at 2000 DA you can be like, "well, I did say it might run 10s" so you can pretend it's a common occurrence or not a noteworthy accomplishment with a $73k car. Either stand by your claim it will be no faster (or barely faster) than a ZL1, or admit it will likely come out tomorrow that it is a 10 second car.

10s for a $100K 760 HP car in 2020 is nothing special. It isn't. You think it is because your standards are low and you'll fap to anything with a "Shelby" sticker on it. There are plenty of cars that have been running 10s for a long time now. The GT500, if it runs 10s, will not be doing anything special or noteworthy considering the price, how long it took them to build it, and the fact that it is 2020 and 10s have been common for 5 years now.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Regarding "how long" something takes to get out...what about the fact that the current ZL1 is still no faster than the 2013 GT500 with ultra tall gearing? I mean, at least be consistent with your arguments. A 2020 GT500 will be a 1/2 second faster or greater than the 2017 ZL1 A10, while the 2017 ZL1 is no faster than a 2013 GT500. See the logic on the timing? Nevermind, you probably won't.

LOL, which car had more HP, less weight, and a solid axle? So it damn well should be faster. Is that some accomplishment for Ford that a Mustang with every advantage stacked in it's favor can finally beat a Camaro? LOL!!

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The only thing you said that passes muster is the GT500 vs a ZR1 on same day same track same driver. Yes, a 3,600 lbs car with 755 hp (that starts at over $120k) will likely be faster than a 4,200 lbs car with 760 hp (that starts at $73k). It's not rocket science to make that claim.

Rant over.

If you want attention for the GT500 and for people to praise it and clap for it then you're talking to the wrong person. I don't care what the GT500 does. it is not going to impress me one bit. If it came out in 2016 or 2017 then I would have had some respect for it. If it came out even in 2018 then I would have some respect. But to come out all these years later at $93K MSRP and 760 HP claiming to do what everything else has been doing for years now is not even worth a thumbs up as far as I'm concerned. If Ford managed to get it right then this will be one thing that they've done right the entire 6th Gen and even then it is more expensive than 95% of their most rabid fanboys will ever afford and it is years late to do something that several cars have been doing all along.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

So I guess this will be a thing.

https://youtu.be/KEsted6S8kg

Just now seeing this. LOL!! 10.61 in Florida during a "private test"...ok...sure, lol!! Here we go again.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

So I guess this will be a thing.

https://youtu.be/KEsted6S8kg

I would like to know how Evans runs are any different then hero runs we see on the fast list? Has any stock GT matched his time when he did that private session? Now everyone is going to say the GT500 is a 10.6 car.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

I would like to know how Evans runs are any different then hero runs we see on the fast list? Has any stock GT matched his time when he did that private session? Now everyone is going to say the GT500 is a 10.6 car.

He also ran a 10.89 at the LV event. So yes get over it the 500 is a solid 10-sec car.

Bad week for the Camaro6 gang. In the past few days the 2019 GT350 finishes 2nd in the Best Drivers Car challenge. Now the 500 not only touched the 10s but hammers them.

Where is the Camaro news?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

He also ran a 10.89 at the LV event. So yes get over it the 500 is a solid 10-sec car.

Bad week for the Camaro6 gang. In the past few days the 2019 GT350 finishes 2nd in the Best Drivers Car challenge. Now the 500 not only touched the 10s but hammers them.

Where is the Camaro news?

LOL, you're kidding right? Bad week because a $94K Mustang with 760 HP that took 6 years to build ran what several other cars have been running for 5 years? Ok!! Again, not impressed with the Evans special.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by newmoon

He also ran a 10.89 at the LV event. So yes get over it the 500 is a solid 10-sec car.

Bad week for the Camaro6 gang. In the past few days the 2019 GT350 finishes 2nd in the Best Drivers Car challenge. Now the 500 not only touched the 10s but hammers them.

Where is the Camaro news?

So it takes a season vet to get below 11 sec. The average mag and driver will be low 11. So again, no different then a hero run.

[vtirocz]

MotorTrend ran a best time of 11.287 on the prepped dragstrip. Car and Driver did not post their best time, only an estimated time.

MotorTrend published runs (ie. for the C8 and ZL1) are two run averages in each direction on non-prepped surfaces and also SAE corrected.

It will be good to see what it does in comparison tests with same track and driver. I’m actually surprised the road test reviews haven’t commented much on the 4250 lb curb weight. Ford must have done a good job with the chassis tuning and ‘hiding’ that mass!

[GuywithL86]

Quote from road and track

“In most flappy-paddle cars—even the most hard-edged performance-oriented machines—there's a delay between your finger pulling the paddle and the gearbox slamming the next cog into place. Even the shortest pause are agonizing, feeling like the matrix hit a momentary lag on the way to your desired gear. In the GT500? It's right there.”

I’m in love with that. That is my biggest pet peave with dct’s. In my opinion it is the primary reason why a dct does not feel like a real manual sequential box. I mean the computerized delay from trigger pull to actual shift time is what’s really holding the dct back from feeling, well, like an actual manual trans.

[BlaqWhole]

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/10/29/...0-first-drive/

LOL, these guys crack me up. The performance "bargain of the year"...that most can't afford and that the few who can afford have to be on a limited list and then pay a markup for it. HAHA! Let's say I had $110K in hand to buy a car right now. What are my chances of buying a GT500 and what are my chances of buying a C8 Z51? What are my chances of seeing one of these performance bargain of the year vehicles, sitting in one, and driving one without having to buy it first? And then this quote "And around a racetrack, the Corvette wouldn’t have a chance. Not in speeds, laptimes, or handling behavior. I know, I've driven one". Yet offers no lap times or info on which track he's talking about. LOL!! These guys are a joke. I can't even take them serious anymore.