[Idaho2018GTPremium]

All the cars at the press event were base cars on MPS4S tires. Evan and VOODOO on M6G have posted the car has run in the 10s at the Vegas track. I guess they and others can post their results on Tuesday. Also, "Stangmode" from Youtube told another M6G member that he also ran in the 10s. Another M6G member stated when he ran the car there were 30 mph headwinds. Another stated the DA was 4000 ft when he ran and the cars sat idling between drivers. Should be solidly in the 10s when all is said and done, for the base model.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Best not to let them see you coming. Over there even the ones that don’t know you know you.

Ah, they love me over there!!

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I doubt an LT5 powered ZL1 would start at $69k given a base M6 ZL1 starts at 64k, and an auto at $66k. I would imagine a "base" LT5 ZL1 would be priced higher, similar to the base GT500. I mean, why not, considering all other equal trimmed Mustangs and Camaros are very similarly priced.

The LT5 is only about $3K-$4K more expensive than the LT4. So then factor in conversions and tuning etc. It could be done for $69K. They could even pull a Hellcat move and remove some of the features that are currently standard like heated/cooled seats, heated steering, etc. Then add those back in as options if someone wants them. $69K is doable for sure.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Can you point me to the official 11.4 sec. 1/4 mile for the ZL1? I found C&D and MT both had 11.5 @ 125 mph for the auto and the M6 ZLE 11.7 @ 123-124 mph for both mags. Question (somewhat rhetorical): Are you mad that the more expensive ZLE is slower than the "base" ZL1? We know the reasons why, but by your reasoning, you should be.

Like I said, the Camaros don't get the same treatment as Mustangs so I would have to scour the internet to find stuff which I have no desire to do.

As far as the ZL1 and ZLE are concerned, the ZLE is not $20K more expensive than the ZL1. It is a $6K package. On top of that, the manual trans ZLE ran an 11.7 or 11.6. It is right there with the ZL1. And the ZLE with A10 trans ran an 11.3 which is faster than the ZL1. In each case, when outfitted with the same trans, the ZLE is faster. So your question is moot.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

For comparison, and corrected for an apples to apples comparison, that 11.07 run would be 10.94 @ 130.2 mph based on an online density altitude correction calculator from Wallace Racing, assuming 1,800 DA. That doesn't account for any headwind, DA only. If the DA was 2,500 the corrected time drops to 10.86 @ 131.1 mph. I'm not sure what the actual DA was but that should give an idea of its potential magazine times and trap speeds. I'm excited to find out if it can hit upper 10s in the magazine tests given the known limitations of FE RWD platforms. Heck, even the ZR1 managed "only" 10.8 seconds (at a massive 135 mph ).

Corrected times leave too many variables unaccounted for. I find that people only use them when the result is to their benefit. Which is what you're doing. The GT500 ran an 11.07 and that was it. The C8 Z51 ran an 11.1 and that is it. If you want to see which one is faster then you'll have to wait until they both are on the same track at the same day. Again I bet the C8 is going to beat the GT500 in the quarter mile. And I think the C8 is going to hit 10s.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

A potential 10 second factory Mustang potentially trapping 130+ mph is not impressive to you? That's nuts. You're either in denial or so jaded you can't think objectively.

Not for $94K no. And neither is 11s. Not when the Hellcat has been doing it since 2015 and the ZL1 has been doing it since 2017. Not when the M5 has been doing it and that is a sedan. And certainly not after all you guys sat here for 2 years talking about how Mustang GTs are all 10 sec cars with simple cheap boltons. Now it takes a $94K Mustang to do what a $61K Hellcat did 5 years ago, what a Demon did 2 years ago, what the ZR1 did 2 years ago, or what the Redeye has been doing? This is like when the 18 GT finally ran a low 12 and the Mustang trolls all swarmed over here bragging about something the SS had been doing since 2016. It is not impressive. The car basically costs $100K after taxes and tags even if you got a bare bones CF with no add-ons. It is $100,000 bro. And so far it is limited to 180 MPH and ran 11.07 to the $$30K cheaper C8 Z51's 11.1 and I'm in denial because I'm not impressed? LOL!! Dude...I honestly don't know what else to say.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

All the cars at the press event were base cars on MPS4S tires. Evan and VOODOO on M6G have posted the car has run in the 10s at the Vegas track. I guess they and others can post their results on Tuesday. Also, "Stangmode" from Youtube told another M6G member that he also ran in the 10s. Another M6G member stated when he ran the car there were 30 mph headwinds. Another stated the DA was 4000 ft when he ran and the cars sat idling between drivers. Should be solidly in the 10s when all is said and done, for the base model.

If the press event and the thing at LVS are one and the same then there were definitely some CF GT500s out there. Perhaps you mean that only the ones that ran were Base GT500s? Also there were some 11.3s posted in there. It looks like the fastest time that can be proven as of right now is 11.07. If someone did a 10 then as of right now there is no proof posted anywhere.

Maybe the CF GT500s ran 10s and perhaps those were the ones that were not allowed to be posted or have pics taken.

[NW-99SS]

Lots of talk about DA here like the GT500 is naturally aspirated...which it obviously isn't. DA affects NA cars much more than FI cars.

On an un-prepped surface, the GT500 won't hit 10s...I fully expect it to on a prepped track. This of course is on factory stock wheels and tires.

Did I mention the Track Pack GT500 in Canada is $8000 cheaper than the ZR1 ZTK (before dealer ADM)? What a bargain...

[IneedAZ]

Wish i knew if they were coming out with a LT5 ZL1 before i do the engine mods on my 17. I think it would be easier to get 150hp out of the LT5 then 250hp out of the LT4 plus i can leave my (17)Anniversary edition alone except my rear end suspension mods.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

All the cars at the press event were base cars on MPS4S tires. Evan and VOODOO on M6G have posted the car has run in the 10s at the Vegas track. I guess they and others can post their results on Tuesday. Also, "Stangmode" from Youtube told another M6G member that he also ran in the 10s. Another M6G member stated when he ran the car there were 30 mph headwinds. Another stated the DA was 4000 ft when he ran and the cars sat idling between drivers. Should be solidly in the 10s when all is said and done, for the base model.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If the press event and the thing at LVS are one and the same then there were definitely some CF GT500s out there. Perhaps you mean that only the ones that ran were Base GT500s? Also there were some 11.3s posted in there. It looks like the fastest time that can be proven as of right now is 11.07. If someone did a 10 then as of right now there is no proof posted anywhere.

Maybe the CF GT500s ran 10s and perhaps those were the ones that were not allowed to be posted or have pics taken.

Based on the pictures and video I've seen, it does sound like there were CFTPs there, but only the base versions were run. As an example, I copied this picture from a Mustang6 poster. He got it from the Instagram post of someone who was there.

I drew the red circle around what look to be the canards for the CFTP. So CFTPs were there. But every photo or video of a car on the track or doing line-lock burnouts are base.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Blaq, with the substantial aero package that's apart of the CFTP (the rear "swing" alone is said to generate near 550lbs of downforce), would you assume it would be faster in the 1/4 vs the base GT500 mostly on account of the MPSC2's, CF wheels, and Rear Seat Delete?

Hard to tell sometimes, on the c7 fast list the non ztk zr1 is the fastest like it should be but motortrend got faster times with a ztk zr1 when they tested it.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

I don't know why some are not accepting that the car will run tens, it absolutely should, will, and apparently already has.

However comparing these press event runs at a drag strip with people running them over and over trying to get the best times to the zr1's motortrend run of 10.8 is a little retarded. Wait for it to run "magazine" 10.8s or 10s before we start comparing numbers, because the zr1s have ran low tens already at drag strips stock on stock tires (9s on a tire). The zr1's magazine 10.8 did not have the benefit of being ran at a drag strip over and over to achieve times using multiple cars.

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I don't know why some are not accepting that the car will run tens, it absolutely should, will, and apparently already has.

This.

Anyone who lives/races here in the desert Southwest knows that a car that can put up an 11.0x here will run tens on a prepped track in East/South.

But really, who gives a shit? We all knew it would be fast in a straight line... it damn well better be.

[shaffe]

I am sure the GT500 will hit tens, I am sure someone will hit tens in the C8 as well.

I am more curious to see what M/T C&D and R&T report for times with the GT500 because we know they will do their standardized testing - no ringers, no extra effort

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I don't know why some are not accepting that the car will run tens, it absolutely should, will, and apparently already has.

However comparing these press event runs at a drag strip with people running them over and over trying to get the best times to the zr1's motortrend run of 10.8 is a little retarded. Wait for it to run "magazine" 10.8s or 10s before we start comparing numbers, because the zr1s have ran low tens already at drag strips stock on stock tires (9s on a tire). The zr1's magazine 10.8 did not have the benefit of being ran at a drag strip over and over to achieve times using multiple cars.

Originally Posted by Rodan

This.

Anyone who lives/races here in the desert Southwest knows that a car that can put up an 11.0x here will run tens on a prepped track in East/South.

But really, who gives a shit? We all knew it would be fast in a straight line... it damn well better be.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I am sure the GT500 will hit tens, I am sure someone will hit tens in the C8 as well.

I am more curious to see what M/T C&D and R&T report for times with the GT500 because we know they will do their standardized testing - no ringers, no extra effort

I said it will, but the surface will have to be prepped. It won't on a an unprepped surface with factory tires. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

A real tire on a prepped surface, and it will be very fast. I could see a low 10 honestly - I will guess 10.3 tire only on a prepped track.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I said it will, but the surface will have to be prepped. It won't on a an unprepped surface with factory tires. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

A real tire on a prepped surface, and it will be very fast. I could see a low 10 honestly - I will guess 10.3 tire only on a prepped track.

Thats definitely not out of the realm of reality, Redeyes are deep into the 10s with a tire and the zr1 has hit 9s with a tire and good prep.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by IneedAZ

Wish i knew if they were coming out with a LT5 ZL1 before i do the engine mods on my 17. I think it would be easier to get 150hp out of the LT5 then 250hp out of the LT4 plus i can leave my (17)Anniversary edition alone except my rear end suspension mods.

If they did offer up the LT5 or even an updated/upgraded LT4 or some LT5-ish type engine then it is hard to say if I'd ditch my 17 ZL1 or not. I do feel like even tho this car has "only" 650 HP it is just soo well balanced that it performs as if it has much more. I would hate to get rid of it. I do feel like LTs, small pulley upgrade, and 93 octane tune are in my future. And I would probably do that even if an upgraded ZL1 pops up in a year or two. But I highly doubt it will. If a 7th Gen is in the works then GM has already moved on from the 6th gen. But if the 7th Gen is not gonna happen then I do think we just might see the ZL1 get an upgrade.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I don't know why some are not accepting that the car will run tens, it absolutely should, will, and apparently already has.

Originally Posted by Rodan

This.

Anyone who lives/races here in the desert Southwest knows that a car that can put up an 11.0x here will run tens on a prepped track in East/South.

But really, who gives a shit? We all knew it would be fast in a straight line... it damn well better be.

Originally Posted by shaffe

I am sure the GT500 will hit tens, I am sure someone will hit tens in the C8 as well.

I am more curious to see what M/T C&D and R&T report for times with the GT500 because we know they will do their standardized testing - no ringers, no extra effort

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I said it will, but the surface will have to be prepped. It won't on a an unprepped surface with factory tires. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

A real tire on a prepped surface, and it will be very fast. I could see a low 10 honestly - I will guess 10.3 tire only on a prepped track.

I'm not saying the car won't hit 10s. I'm saying I doubt it will do so bone stock off the dealership floor. If it already has then as of right now there is no proof. So we can speculate that it has or say that someone said it did or whatever. But until there is hard evidence that it did in fact run a 10, it is not a 10 sec car. So I'm not calling it a 10 sec car prematurely. When it hits 10s then I'll acknowledge it.

The GT500 will be an Evans special and get the workover that the 18 GT got. They will take it out to the best track on the best possible day somewhere here in the Northeast and will run it all day with different tire pressures and launching it at different RPMs and they will gun for the best possible quarter mile time. The C8 Z51 will not get close to the same treatment. But I think the C8 will manage a high 10. If both cars are tested on the same day same track and are given the same attention then I think the C8 will beat the GT500 in the quarter mile. I also think the fact that the $65K 495 HP C8 is this close to a $95K 760 HP GT500 in the first place is outstanding.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I said it will, but the surface will have to be prepped. It won't on a an unprepped surface with factory tires. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

A real tire on a prepped surface, and it will be very fast. I could see a low 10 honestly - I will guess 10.3 tire only on a prepped track.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Thats definitely not out of the realm of reality, Redeyes are deep into the 10s with a tire and the zr1 has hit 9s with a tire and good prep.

The thing is that the Redeye has a drag race setup. It was built specifically for drag racing and has some Demon features. The ZR1 is extremely lightweight. The GT500 has neither of those things going for it. It is not lightweight and it is not drag specific. Also it does not have the HP Redeye nor the TQ of the Redeye and ZR1. I think it will be fast with a tire. But I don't think we'll see it match what those cars can do.