[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The gt350r is a solid a properly sorted out car.. but let's not act like it's magic, the non r gt350 needs an extra 70hp to do nothing better than an SS 1le except for maybe sound cool as heck.

The GT350R is the only S550 Ford sorted out on the Ring.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Would it really make a difference? MT described the PP1 with Magnericd as being a mess.

It does make a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the MR was malfunctioning in that tester. You've quoted that one quote many times in this thread, obviously without quoting any of the positive comments about the GT PP1 w/ Magneride. Many positive reviews have come in for the MR equipped PP1.

This is one (C&D): https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/

"It wasn’t until we took the GT through the Angeles National Forest that we learned how it has adopted the stability and willingness of the GT350. Body roll is tightly checked, the magnetorheological dampers glue the tires to the tarmac without brutalizing the ride, and the Michelins give more warnings than a TSA officer. Even the electrically assisted steering reacts naturally and has pleasing heft."

And this one from C&D for the Bullitt (a GT PP1 w/ some badges and green paint):
"Our test car featured one of the Bullitt's few options—MagneRide dampers—and the ride/handling balance of the pony car is superb. It's now about as good as Chevy's Camaro SS, previously the gold standard of the category."


Or this one from R&T (also the Bullitt): https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/

"The optional Magnetic Ride suspension is, in my opinion, a must. I thought it was standard until I arrived at dinner and some of the other journalists started complaining about the car’s handling. “Bouncy rear end,” was thrown around a lot, alongside grumblings of poor body control and live axle-like behavior. I thought I had lost my touch, or my mind, as the body control was excellent in the cars I drove. I even spent about 20 minutes gushing about how well the car was handling the uneven canyon terrain around the Nocasio Reservoir. Turns out I had Mag Ride, and they didn’t. "

I can honestly say that my GT PP1 w/ MR feels great on curvy roads. I don't track it so I've never taken it to it's limits, but the thing is great on the back roads.

[BlaqWhole]

I hate to change the subject but I was looking around and noticed the prices of used Hellcats and ZL1s have gone up. A few months ago I could find 17MY Hellcats and ZL1s with around 15K to 20K miles going for around $45K. Now they seem to have increased to low $50K. Same with the ZL1s. Could it be that the insane pricing of the GT500 has people flocking to the used market for ZL1s and Hellcats and thus driving the demand up? I find it interesting.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

It does make a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the MR was malfunctioning in that tester. You've quoted that one quote many times in this thread, obviously without quoting any of the positive comments about the GT PP1 w/ Magneride. Many positive reviews have come in for the MR equipped PP1.

This is one (C&D): https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/

"It wasn’t until we took the GT through the Angeles National Forest that we learned how it has adopted the stability and willingness of the GT350. Body roll is tightly checked, the magnetorheological dampers glue the tires to the tarmac without brutalizing the ride, and the Michelins give more warnings than a TSA officer. Even the electrically assisted steering reacts naturally and has pleasing heft."

And this one from C&D for the Bullitt (a GT PP1 w/ some badges and green paint):
"Our test car featured one of the Bullitt's few options—MagneRide dampers—and the ride/handling balance of the pony car is superb. It's now about as good as Chevy's Camaro SS, previously the gold standard of the category."


Or this one from R&T (also the Bullitt): https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/

"The optional Magnetic Ride suspension is, in my opinion, a must. I thought it was standard until I arrived at dinner and some of the other journalists started complaining about the car’s handling. “Bouncy rear end,” was thrown around a lot, alongside grumblings of poor body control and live axle-like behavior. I thought I had lost my touch, or my mind, as the body control was excellent in the cars I drove. I even spent about 20 minutes gushing about how well the car was handling the uneven canyon terrain around the Nocasio Reservoir. Turns out I had Mag Ride, and they didn’t. "

I can honestly say that my GT PP1 w/ MR feels great on curvy roads. I don't track it so I've never taken it to it's limits, but the thing is great on the back roads.

I'm sure it's not all that bad and probably pretty good, but when splitting hairs about performance cars' handling it's lacking.

It's about as good as the gold standard camaro as until it actually gets compared to the camaro head to head. Then it's not.

That motortrend quote is more on the negative side because it's being compared to the ss 1le. The other ones were solo reviews where I'm sure it felt relatively good.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'm sure it's not all that bad and probably pretty good, but when splitting hairs about performance cars' handling it's lacking.

It's about as good as the gold standard camaro as until it actually gets compared to the camaro head to head. Then it's not.

That motortrend quote is more on the negative side because it's being compared to the ss 1le. The other ones were solo reviews where I'm sure it felt relatively good.

And the SS isn't as fast as the Gold Standard Scatpack Challenger or Mustang GT in acceleration. The Camaro is lacking.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And the SS isn't as fast as the Gold Standard Scatpack Challenger or 2018 - 20 Mustang GT* in acceleration. The Camaro is lacking.

Here we go again. Corrected for full disclosure. And I can’t say for certain about Challenger, but my SS Vert has outperformed Scat Pack Chargers same day same dragstrip.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And the SS isn't as fast as the Gold Standard Scatpack Challenger or Mustang GT in acceleration. The Camaro is lacking.

You mean the 1320 ...right? ...with no seats and a transmission brake?
You mean the GT* ...right? ...from a dig ...with drag race mode? Ya got a chance?

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode

How about with a manual transmissions?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And the SS isn't as fast as the Gold Standard Scatpack Challenger or Mustang GT in acceleration. The Camaro is lacking.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Here we go again. Corrected for full disclosure. And I can’t say for certain about Challenger, but my SS Vert has outperformed Scat Pack Chargers same day same dragstrip.

Originally Posted by hotlap

You mean the 1320 ...right? ...with no seats and a transmission brake?
You mean the GT* ...right? ...from a dig ...with drag race mode? Ya got a chance?

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode

How about with a manual transmissions?

Hey, it only takes one very hard-to-find specially equipped model to cast the halo over all configurations, all model years. Didn’t you get the memo?

In all seriousness, the last time I did my “what’s on the lot?” search, most of the larger dealers had more GT350s on their lots than GT*. That’s how rare that configuration is. And in just my daily driving around, in the heart of Ford country, I see more GT350 than I do GT* or PP2. Almost all the GTs are NOT PP anything. The most popular configuration on dealer lots is GT + 10AT, no PP1.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And the SS isn't as fast as the Gold Standard Scatpack Challenger or Mustang GT in acceleration. The Camaro is lacking.

There it is. The troll attempt to derail the thread for the 600th time.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

It does make a difference. I wouldn't be surprised if the MR was malfunctioning in that tester. You've quoted that one quote many times in this thread, obviously without quoting any of the positive comments about the GT PP1 w/ Magneride. Many positive reviews have come in for the MR equipped PP1.

This is one (C&D): https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/

"It wasn’t until we took the GT through the Angeles National Forest that we learned how it has adopted the stability and willingness of the GT350. Body roll is tightly checked, the magnetorheological dampers glue the tires to the tarmac without brutalizing the ride, and the Michelins give more warnings than a TSA officer. Even the electrically assisted steering reacts naturally and has pleasing heft."

And this one from C&D for the Bullitt (a GT PP1 w/ some badges and green paint):
"Our test car featured one of the Bullitt's few options—MagneRide dampers—and the ride/handling balance of the pony car is superb. It's now about as good as Chevy's Camaro SS, previously the gold standard of the category."


Or this one from R&T (also the Bullitt): https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/

"The optional Magnetic Ride suspension is, in my opinion, a must. I thought it was standard until I arrived at dinner and some of the other journalists started complaining about the car’s handling. “Bouncy rear end,” was thrown around a lot, alongside grumblings of poor body control and live axle-like behavior. I thought I had lost my touch, or my mind, as the body control was excellent in the cars I drove. I even spent about 20 minutes gushing about how well the car was handling the uneven canyon terrain around the Nocasio Reservoir. Turns out I had Mag Ride, and they didn’t. "

I can honestly say that my GT PP1 w/ MR feels great on curvy roads. I don't track it so I've never taken it to it's limits, but the thing is great on the back roads.

The guys at MT are very critical of handling performance lately. Maybe that's because overall handling has gotten a lot better or maybe it's because the base V8 models are pushing 50k these days.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The guys at MT are very critical of handling performance lately. Maybe that's because overall handling has gotten a lot better or maybe it's because the base V8 models are pushing 50k these days.

Base V8 models are mid 30k. I think you mean the fully equipped and optioned V8 pony cars are $50k? That is true. The msrp on mine (GT* w/ Magneride) was $49k, but I got it new for quite a bit less than that.

I guess mine is the most rare combination of all: GT* Premium w/ Magneride. It's going to be a collector someday!!

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Hey, it only takes one very hard-to-find specially equipped model to cast the halo over all configurations, all model years. Didn’t you get the memo?

In all seriousness, the last time I did my “what’s on the lot?” search, most of the larger dealers had more GT350s on their lots than GT*. That’s how rare that configuration is. And in just my daily driving around, in the heart of Ford country, I see more GT350 than I do GT* or PP2. Almost all the GTs are NOT PP anything. The most popular configuration on dealer lots is GT + 10AT, no PP1.

I think the GT A10 non PP1 is only a tenth or two behind the GT*. American muscle tested his white GT A10 and ran high 11.9s on 20” all seasons at a drag strip with a 1.9 60’. His does have drag mode but it’s on the all seasons. I am not sure if his is a PP1 or not.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Base V8 models are mid 30k. I think you mean the fully equipped and optioned V8 pony cars are $50k? That is true. The msrp on mine (GT* w/ Magneride) was $49k, but I got it new for quite a bit less than that.

I guess mine is the most rare combination of all: GT* Premium w/ Magneride. It's going to be a collector someday!!

By base I mean not a Shelby or a ZL1 or Hellcat.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You mean the 1320 ...right? ...with no seats and a transmission brake?
You mean the GT* ...right? ...from a dig ...with drag race mode? Ya got a chance?

* GT, A10, PP, Michelin PS, 3.55 in drag race mode

How about with a manual transmissions?

Are we going into the trim discussion again? Your fastest available SS in any trim, is not as fast as the fastest available GT, despite having less weight and a significant torque advantage. It is lacking.