09-12-2019, 05:20 AM | #3431 |
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So the Camaro is officially done?
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09-12-2019, 05:34 AM | #3432 | |
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09-12-2019, 05:42 AM | #3433 | |
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Camaro has left its answer to Mustang GT on the streets since 2016 and save for the GT*, the answer has held up nicely. FWIW, I see more GT350 than PP1 on the street, so there are not a lot of GT* hangin’ around. I meet see 1 PP1 per week. And I live spitting distance from Ford World HQ where a lot of Mustangs are company cars or employee discount cars. Corvette and Shelby Mustangs have a rivalry dating back to the late ‘60s when Ford ended the Cobra and the GT350 and GT500 stepped into the void. There are books written about the on track rivalry. https://www.motortrend.com/news/1967...sting-ray-427/
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09-12-2019, 06:13 AM | #3434 | |
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I do understand pricing will have the Corvette close to Shelby pricing but hasn't that always been the case? The 7th Gen Corvette was similar in pricing to the GT350 yet I don't recall anyone stating they were direct competitors.
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09-12-2019, 06:24 AM | #3435 | |
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We are ok with our Camaros. I’m so pleased
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09-12-2019, 07:04 AM | #3436 | ||
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So you basically want to compare the CF GT500 to the standard ZL1 I take it. because you want to count out the ZLE and the C8. So ok. Let's compare the $94,000 CF GT500 to the standard $64,000 ZL1. The GT500 might beat the ZL1 in a straight line but that depends on if it can get the power to the ground effectively. If it can't then it will be just like the Hellcat...loads of HP with a high 11 sec quarter mile. That is until someone shady *cough Evans cough* gets their hands on it. EVen then if it does manage a win it will be by maybe about 4 tenths. So congrats. $94K gets you a 4 tenth advantage over a $64K car. You must be proud. Around a track that fat pig ain't gonna do a damn thing unless it is the track in the video that was posted which has long straights and basically no turns. That way the GT500 if it can handle even marginally decent will just be able to get thru some corners and then try to overwhelm the ZL1 on the straights. But I bet the GT500 is going to be playing catch up the whole time and will still lose. So my prediction is that the standard $64K ZL1 will beat the $94K GT500 around a track but it might lose in the quarter mile. The fact that it is still doubtful whether the CF GT500 at $30K more and with 110 more HP will actually beat the Almighty King ZL1 says a lot. |
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09-12-2019, 08:08 AM | #3438 |
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Gt500
This is true, but over 100k is over 100k no matter how you spin it, especially if adm's are taken into account. A z06 will wreck a GT 500 on a track but straight line should be pretty comparable. Z06 has been out since 2015 though and is down 110 hp.
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09-12-2019, 08:15 AM | #3439 | |
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Whenever a new GT500 has been introduced it has been compared to the Corvette of the day. Mid - late 70s to early '80s not withstanding, when you were hard-pressed to get a Corvette over 200 hp or a Shelby Mustang of any variety. When I was doing competitor intelligence at GM, the Camaro team cared about the GT350 / 350R. That is the ZL1/ZLE competitor. If ZL1/ZLE beat GT500, gravy. The Corvette team considered the GT500 as a "secondary competitor". Basically, that would be a competitor that aspires to compete with you, but whom you do not target as a direct competitor. So, Porsche 911 all variants (there's like 72 of 'em, right?), Ferrari 488, McLaren 570s and 720, Lamborghini (multiple models), Audi R8 were considered direct competitors and we provided reams of info to the team on those products. GT500, Ford GT, Nissan GTR, Mercedes AMG GT, Acura NSX, Toyota Supra, a bunch of other stuff that I can't recall top of mind were considered secondary competitors. Basically, we told the team if they were doing anything interesting that they needed to know about, but as long as they "stayed in their lane" it was sort of a "yeah, we know they're out there" sort of vibe. Hit the primary targets and you don't have to worry about the secondary targets unless they find a way to punch above their weight class.
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I just want the car to start getting reviewed.
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The gt500 is in a place price and power wise where it will probably be compared and crossshopped against zl1/zle's and corvettes.
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09-12-2019, 08:33 AM | #3442 |
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And lol at people crying about zl1 1le drivability. Quite a few people dd them, old men with bad backs shouldn't have even considered one.
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09-12-2019, 08:43 AM | #3443 | |
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GT500 - 73,995 includes destination + gas guzzler ZL1 Auto - 66,690 includes destination + gas guzzler Hellcat RE -73,440 includes destination + gas guzzler RE Widebody -79,440 includes destination + gas guzzler (threw this in bc some people say why get the RE without the widebody) C8 - 59,995 includes destination If those are my choices all the "pony" cars are pretty close, ZL1 best balanced, lowest price but also less HP than the other two and probably slowest in the 1/4. If I am spending that kind of coin on a car, I am most likely looking right at the C8 though. Even though it would be the slowest most likely, to me corvette > other choices lol. |
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