[oldman]

I know there is a myth out in autoX land that RE71 work best on imports...

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Looks like you have more of a problem facing facts , like the C8 won’t be as fast as a Camaro around a track . Like I have said before you got nothing, let’s wait for numbers.

The base C8 is compromised at any track due to all-season tires. It just is not a track car, but it will accelerate quicker if summer tires were added. IMO a C8 on a road race base with a decent set of road race tires will be very quick.

GM went to mid-engine because they have brought the front-engine / rear-drive platform to the limit. I have no doubt the C8 is going to a great track platform as long as it has track tires.

[50MileSmile]

Just so you guys have all the information for your nonsensical argument, here’s what the C8’s Z51 package includes; note the performance axle ratio:

(J55) Z51 performance brakes, (FE3) Z51 performance suspension, (NPP) performance exhaust, (GM7) performance rear axle ratio, (G96) Electronic Limited Slip Differential (eLSD), (T0A) Z51 rear spoiler, front splitter, (XFQ) 245/35ZR19 front and 305/30ZR20 rear, blackwall, high performance tires and (V08) heavy-duty cooling system.

The C8’s Z51 package does not include the Magnetic Selective Ride Control or (B4Z) Performance Traction Management, both of which are part of the separate FE4 package that’s only available if you also order the Z51.

Please remount your horses to continue your jousting...

[oldman]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

Just so you guys have all the information for your nonsensical argument, here’s what the C8’s Z51 package includes; note the performance axle ratio:

(J55) Z51 performance brakes, (FE3) Z51 performance suspension, (NPP) performance exhaust, (GM7) performance rear axle ratio, (G96) Electronic Limited Slip Differential (eLSD), (T0A) Z51 rear spoiler, front splitter, (XFQ) 245/35ZR19 front and 305/30ZR20 rear, blackwall, high performance tires and (V08) heavy-duty cooling system.

The C8’s Z51 package does not include the Magnetic Selective Ride Control or (B4Z) Performance Traction Management, both of which are part of the separate FE4 package that’s only available if you also order the Z51.

Please remount your horses to continue your jousting...

Just don’t know what type of performance, clearly road race, is this a better ratio for 0 to 60? Dunno...yes the z51 lets u pay even more money.. for other stuff. the base vette imo will do a sub 3.0 with perf tires and a break in...

[BlaqWhole]

Ok so talking performance...

In a straight line the C8 Z51 will beat any of the modern Muscle Cars including the Hellcat, GT500, ZL1, ZLE, GT350R, Redeye, and whatever else there is. The standard C8 will either beat or at the very least match all those cars. It's advantage will be that it will get that power thru the rear and to the pavement much more efficiently than the Muscle Cars. Don't get on my case about "Muscle Car"...we all know which cars I'm talking about. Suffice to say...

In the quarter mile, the C8 is going to lose to anything that has a blower on it. While it will 0-60 the hell out of those other cars, they will be picking up steam and momentum something monstrous once past 60. The C8 will be accelerating too but not like the monsters out there. All the advantages of having a better take off will be nullified once those beasts get rolling and building boost. By 70-80 they will have caught the C8, by 90-100 they will be clear of the C8, and by the end of the quarter mile the C8 will have lost convincingly. I figure the C8 will do a mid 11.5 (absolute best) -11.8 and trap about 120-122.

Around a track I doubt anything besides a ZL1 or ZLE will take it. For the record, I do think the standard ZL1 is gonna beat the GT500 around a track. Mainly due to the fact that I think the GT500 will be 4100+ pounds, nose heavy, and won't be carrying enough speed thru the turns. Anyway, I think the match up to watch will be C8 vs ZLE vs Z06 vs ZR1 around a track with the GT500 thrown in to keep it interesting. The top Camaro and the C7 Z brothers will be the only things that might be able to beat it. We'll see.

As far as tires, I would probably hesitate to throw stickier tires on the standard C8. At least not a compound that is used on the Z51. GM builds their cars in a very balanced manner. If the Z51 is outfitted with a higher performance tire, then that is because the entire car was built to handle that tire. Or that tire was made for the Z51. Chances are that throwing that same tire on a non-Z51 might hinder performance or cause an issue. Still tho I'd like to see how the two stack up.

I think everyone would like the Z51 package but I also think the standard C8 non-Z51 is the way to go if you are not planning on taking the car to the track. Remember the C7 Z51s? People complained that of the cr was not optioned with the MRC then it was too harsh. Just like the ZLE is said to be harsh. So while 0-60 under 3 seconds sure does sound nice, your butt might not like that ride at all. Now I may be wrong considering the C8 is ME while the C7 wasn't. Perhaps this new design might be more forgiving. Time will tell. But I think the standard C8 in a LT2 package will be more than enough. I honestly feel that even the standard C8 will corner better than a standard ZL1. And if you don't know, the standard ZL1 handles like nothing I've ever driven before. That C8 is going to hit corners soo fast you won't know what to do with yourself.

Personally, I'd be happy trading in the Hellcat for a LT1 C8 non-Z51.

[samurai]

Lets see what Ed Piatek (Corvette Chief Engineer) said on this topic:


-When asked how they can claim the Stingray Z51 performance is superior to the current Z06; he gave a fascinating mini course on the performance advantages of the new C8 design and confirmed that "yes, it will outperform the current Z06 in every way. Our forum has already many thread discussion the details.
Source

[6spdhyperblue]

The plot thickens

[V8 Firebird]

Every track is different, so it is very difficult to say which is better.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by samurai

Lets see what Ed Piatek (Corvette Chief Engineer) said on this topic:


-When asked how they can claim the Stingray Z51 performance is superior to the current Z06; he gave a fascinating mini course on the performance advantages of the new C8 design and confirmed that "yes, it will outperform the current Z06 in every way. Our forum has already many thread discussion the details.
Source

I'm gonna have to disagree until there are some official numbers. The way I see it is that the C8 Z51 might out-corner the C7 Z06. But is it gonna out-corner it well enough that the Z06 won't catch it on the straights. Mid-engine design yea yea. Low weight sure. Well the Z06 ain't exactly a porker. And it handles pretty damn well itself. And there is still the matter of having an extra 155 HP via forced induction. Mid-engine design is not gonna help in the straights. And I'm not seeing how it will outcorner a Z06 soo well that it won't get reeled in. Maybe on a short track that is corner heavy the C8 might get a win. But that would be cherry picking a track in favor of the C8 just to say "see we told you". I'll have to wait and see how this all pans out. But it sounds more like they're trying to keep the hype going...kinda like how there were claims that the 20 GT500 outran a Ford GT on a track. I don't believe either story even if the C8 story does seem more likely than the GT500 story.

[waterman]

Mid engine configuration radically and drastically changes the playing field.

Please adjust your school of thought gentlemen.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by waterman

Mid engine configuration radically and drastically changes the playing field.

Please adjust your school of thought gentlemen.

We all understand that. And nobody is disputing that. I'm questioning exactly how much better it is. And let's face it, if that were the case then the Vettes would not have had any chance at all of competing with all the mid-engine cars that it competed with. And we're talking about the Z06 here. The Z06 is a Supercar in it's own right. I gotta express my disbelief. However that just means I'll be even more impressed if it is true.

[Baldilocks01SS]

Originally Posted by DC5

False.

The final C7 sold for $2.7 million at the Barrett-Jackson Northeast auction on June 28, 2019.

Sold, yes. Built, no.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm gonna have to disagree until there are some official numbers. The way I see it is that the C8 Z51 might out-corner the C7 Z06. But is it gonna out-corner it well enough that the Z06 won't catch it on the straights. Mid-engine design yea yea. Low weight sure. Well the Z06 ain't exactly a porker. And it handles pretty damn well itself. And there is still the matter of having an extra 155 HP via forced induction. Mid-engine design is not gonna help in the straights. And I'm not seeing how it will outcorner a Z06 soo well that it won't get reeled in. Maybe on a short track that is corner heavy the C8 might get a win. But that would be cherry picking a track in favor of the C8 just to say "see we told you". I'll have to wait and see how this all pans out. But it sounds more like they're trying to keep the hype going...kinda like how there were claims that the 20 GT500 outran a Ford GT on a track. I don't believe either story even if the C8 story does seem more likely than the GT500 story.

I’m starting to think there’s a chance that there’s more to the LT2 power than meets the eye. Maybe it’s under rated at 495, maybe it really is 495 but comes in way early and stays flat. That IM is garganchuon...way bigger than it looked at first. I’m thinking it won’t even fit under a camaro hood. look what a high ram does for those guys. 30hp could come from the new intake and tb alone...easily
Now talk better headers and new cam.

[samurai]

Originally Posted by waterman

Mid engine configuration radically and drastically changes the playing field.

Please adjust your school of thought gentlemen.

Exactly. The 911 GT3 RS (rear-engine) has "only" 513 hp and is a great track car.
At Road Atlanta Randy Pobst drove a 1:26.24 in the GT3 RS, beating the 1:26.45 of the 755-hp Corvette ZR1.

At C&D Lightning Lap the GT3 RS did a 2:47 pretty close to the current Z06 2:44.6 and ZL1 1LE 2:45.7
On Nürburgring the GT3 RS did a 6.56,4, Z06 was at 6:59,13.


Going the midengine platform makes a huge difference. You just can't compare 1:1 horsepower against frontengine cars. Of course straigth line performance above a certain mph is pretty much a horsepower war, but for quarter mile and especially racetracks the C8 Z51 will be great.