[newmoon]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You’re a bright guy. Let’s see if you can figure it out from the “fun facts” exchange I had with Ethanolic.

In 2018 Ford produced 4,378 GT350’s. Chevy produced 6,164 ZL1’s
In 2018 Ford produced 633 GT350R. Chevy produced 1,567 ZLE

Chevy delivered the first 2017 ZL1 eight months into the 2017 model year (April 15, 2017). That’s 3,048 in four months.

In 2016 Ford delivered 3,814 overheating GT350’s without coolers

In one year of production (2018), Chevy produced more ZL1 1LE’s (1,567) than Ford produced GT350R in 2015, 2016 and 2017 combined (1,469).

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...postcount=1570

Let’s hope. An inexpensive Chevy super car for the masses. That’s the kind of “special” I prefer.

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

In my opinion there is nothing special about a base Corvette, the novelty of the mid engine will wear off very quickly, 1 year from now it will be forgotten when the Z06 is offered in likely 750 hp. If you want to drive around in the Grandfather's trimmed Vette grab the base, and cruise the nursing homes. If you are a performance enthusiast wait for the Z06.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

In my opinion there is nothing special about a base Corvette, the novelty of the mid engine will wear off very quickly, 1 year from now it will be forgotten when the Z06 is offered in likely 750 hp. If you want to drive around in the Grandfather's trimmed Vette grab the base, and cruise the nursing homes. If you are a performance enthusiast wait for the Z06.

All I’m looking for is a great performer at an affordable price. All of these cars deprecate hard so they should be driven, used up and retired. I’m not interested in a ZL1 or Z06 that sits under a cover while it also becomes old news.

The C8 is a game changer. Mid engine track super car that runs 11s. Get one and drive it’s wheels off.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

First off, that thing is gorgeous no matter how you look at it or what angle you look at it from. It is gonna turn heads for sure. Second, if you look hard enough, you can find something you don't like about any car. Calling out a mid engine C8 Vette that starts below $60K because you think the side profile is ugly is a bit much. But to each their own. For the record, the S197 Coyotes were pretty hideous from every angle. But like I said, to each...

Third up, nobody is going to be disappointed that they bought a base C8 when the Z06 comes out. C7 Vette guys were not disappointed when the C7 Z06 came out. Why would it be any different now. The Z06 is going to be priced significantly higher than the base anyway. So the majority of people in a base won't be able to afford the Z06 brand new anyway. I personally, coming out of a 17 ZL1 and a 17 Hellcat, I would not care what the Z06 comes with after seeing what the standard C8 offers. Just based off what it is I'm probably gonna turn in my Hellcat for a base C8 anyway. And I'm not paying over $75K for any of these cars. If the C8 Z06 comes out over that price, then maybe I'd change my mind. But probably not. Plus even the non-Z51 is going to hit 60 MPH in less than 4 seconds. And it's gonna beat GT500s and just about everything else stoplight to stoplight for sure. I'm also gonna be bold and declare that on a roll, it ain't necessarily gonna get walked. Especially if the GT500 is over 4100 pounds. It'll be well north of 100 before the GT500 manages to start getting away.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

In my opinion there is nothing special about a base Corvette, the novelty of the mid engine will wear off very quickly, 1 year from now it will be forgotten when the Z06 is offered in likely 750 hp. If you want to drive around in the Grandfather's trimmed Vette grab the base, and cruise the nursing homes. If you are a performance enthusiast wait for the Z06.

I will buy a base C8 and I won't care when the Z06 comes out. A base with a Z51 package will be good enough for me to drive 6 months of the year and embarrass GT500s (if I ever even see one).

As far as perusing the nursing homes lol I showed that C8 to my 30 yr old wife and she said "That looks f-ing bad ass."

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by newmoon

1st let's set some things straight. The GT350 was commanding markups for several years while the ZL1 and C7 needed discounts to move the product. The same will happen quickly for the C8. And exactly when did the Mustang have to be measured against the Corvette have you written off the Camaro already. The new C8 has power only similar to a 4 yro old 35k Scatpack, Chevy should have offered more hp.

Until Chevy does something with the Camaro or a faster version of the C8 it will likely have nothing to offer that is capable of taking down a 500 or a HC RE at the strip in either the Camaro or Corvette lines. All the more reason to wait for a Z06 package. But hey I am sure we will discuss Ring times.

Wow, you need to get your facts straight. The new Gt500 has a projected 0-60 time of mid 3 seconds, the Z51 C8 is less than 3 seconds. The way under powered C8 should give the new GT500 a run for its money if not beat it in the 1/4 mile. The Gt500 will be playing catch up big time to run it down in the 1/4 mile and it may not. The Base Gt500 is 75 before the dreaded ADM, the base C8 60k. The cars are going to be at least 20k apart , that is huge

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I will buy a base C8 and I won't care when the Z06 comes out. A base with a Z51 package will be good enough for me to drive 6 months of the year and embarrass GT500s (if I ever even see one).

As far as perusing the nursing homes lol I showed that C8 to my 30 yr old wife and she said "That looks f-ing bad ass."

I'd be completely satisfied with a base model even without the Z51 package. A friend of mine is more of a car guy than me. He said even the base no-Z51 is still gonna be a crazy fast car. Especially under $60K. So if I were to get one, that would be enough for me...for now. If the Z06 were to come out with a MSRP of like $70K then things would change. Regardless of which one and which package you get, the C8 is gonna be a phenomenal effing supercar!!

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Wow, you need to get your facts straight. The new Gt500 has a projected 0-60 time of mid 3 seconds, the Z51 C8 is less than 3 seconds. The way under powered C8 should give the new GT500 a run for its money if not beat it in the 1/4 mile. The Gt500 will be playing catch up big time to run it down in the 1/4 mile and it may not. The Base Gt500 is 75 before the dreaded ADM, the base C8 60k. The cars are going to be at least 20k apart , that is huge

If I paid $65 - 70k for a C8 and got smoked by a $74k+ GT500 on a roll, you know what I’d do?



I’d wave to the guy driving the GT500 and say “good on ya, bro” and then I’d go on and enjoy the rest of my day. And my awesome car. And for the record, this is coming from a guy who was considering buying a base + handling package GT500 sometime in ‘21 - ‘22. At least until 7/18/19 I was considering it.

[BlaqWhole]

All in all, I do not think the C8 (non-Z06, non-ZR1) will beat a GT500 in the quarter mile Z51 package or not. The C8 Z51 will 0-60 the GT500. But it is not gonna destroy the GT500 in the 0-60. It will just be a little faster. But by 60 MPH that GT500 is gonna be gaining speed and momentum at a greater rate than the C8 will. I'd say it will have caught the C8 by 80MPH and at that point it will be steamrolling. Both cars will be hauling ass. But at that point it's gonna be all GT500. Remember, 765 forced induction HP on a car that has an engine that loves the top end. The C8 would need at least 650 HP to negate all that.

One experience I had in my Hellcat a few months ago was a loss I experienced to a WRX. I came across a WRX that seemed modded. We both punched it from 60 MPH and I shot ahead of him. But it was all over after that. I shot ahead but he reeled me back in and introduced me to my first humbling experience in 3 years. Basically, I was giving it all I got and there was nothing I could do. Dude walked me like I wasn't shit. Somewhere on a forum or FB page there is a post about this with a bunch of Subaru guys applauding whoever that guy was. Anyway, yea I jumped ahead. Just like the C8 is gonna jump ahead of the GT500. But that GT500 will be making much more power and it will be a very short 60 MPH victory for the C8. I expect to see a mid 11 @ 120 out of the C8. I expect to see at least an 11 flat and a 127 MPH for the GT500.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

All in all, I do not think the C8 (non-Z06, non-ZR1) will beat a GT500 in the quarter mile Z51 package or not. The C8 Z51 will 0-60 the GT500. But it is not gonna destroy the GT500 in the 0-60. It will just be a little faster. But by 60 MPH that GT500 is gonna be gaining speed and momentum at a greater rate than the C8 will. I'd say it will have caught the C8 by 80MPH and at that point it will be steamrolling. Both cars will be hauling ass. But at that point it's gonna be all GT500. Remember, 765 forced induction HP on a car that has an engine that loves the top end. The C8 would need at least 650 HP to negate all that.

One experience I had in my Hellcat a few months ago was a loss I experienced to a WRX. I came across a WRX that seemed modded. We both punched it from 60 MPH and I shot ahead of him. But it was all over after that. I shot ahead but he reeled me back in and introduced me to my first humbling experience in 3 years. Basically, I was giving it all I got and there was nothing I could do. Dude walked me like I wasn't shit. Somewhere on a forum or FB page there is a post about this with a bunch of Subaru guys applauding whoever that guy was. Anyway, yea I jumped ahead. Just like the C8 is gonna jump ahead of the GT500. But that GT500 will be making much more power and it will be a very short 60 MPH victory for the C8. I expect to see a mid 11 @ 120 out of the C8. I expect to see at least an 11 flat and a 127 MPH for the GT500.

This sounds about right.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

All in all, I do not think the C8 (non-Z06, non-ZR1) will beat a GT500 in the quarter mile Z51 package or not. The C8 Z51 will 0-60 the GT500. But it is not gonna destroy the GT500 in the 0-60. It will just be a little faster. But by 60 MPH that GT500 is gonna be gaining speed and momentum at a greater rate than the C8 will. I'd say it will have caught the C8 by 80MPH and at that point it will be steamrolling. Both cars will be hauling ass. But at that point it's gonna be all GT500. Remember, 765 forced induction HP on a car that has an engine that loves the top end. The C8 would need at least 650 HP to negate all that.

One experience I had in my Hellcat a few months ago was a loss I experienced to a WRX. I came across a WRX that seemed modded. We both punched it from 60 MPH and I shot ahead of him. But it was all over after that. I shot ahead but he reeled me back in and introduced me to my first humbling experience in 3 years. Basically, I was giving it all I got and there was nothing I could do. Dude walked me like I wasn't shit. Somewhere on a forum or FB page there is a post about this with a bunch of Subaru guys applauding whoever that guy was. Anyway, yea I jumped ahead. Just like the C8 is gonna jump ahead of the GT500. But that GT500 will be making much more power and it will be a very short 60 MPH victory for the C8. I expect to see a mid 11 @ 120 out of the C8. I expect to see at least an 11 flat and a 127 MPH for the GT500.

I dont think anyone seriously expects the base C8 to beat a GT500 in the 1/4. But you can make any car as fast or faster than the GT500 just like that Subaru you ran against. But you cant just give a car the handling and performance characteristics of having a mid engine design.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I dont think anyone seriously expects the base C8 to beat a GT500 in the 1/4. But you can make any car as fast or faster than the GT500 just like that Subaru you ran against. But you cant just give a car the handling and performance characteristics of having a mid engine design.

Yea that WRX ruined my day. Shit, it ruined my week.

I do think a few people mistakenly believe that the base and Z51 C8s will beat the likes of the GT500, ZL1, Z06, and newer Hellcats/Redeyes in the quarter mile. It will be fast and it will jump out ahead of all those cars. But they'll reel it in.

And yea you are right. The GT500 will not compare in handling. GM made the C8 a mid-engine design because they pushed the front engine design to the point where they could not improve it anymore. The GT500 is not gonna be anywhere near that level of performance in handling. Especially if it tips the scales at 4100+. And the fact remains that there will be faster versions of the C8. They're not only going to be faster around a track, the Z versions will be faster in the quarter too. I fully expect the C8 Z06 to beat the GT500 in a straight line. And I bet it will MSRP lower than the CF GT500 too.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Let's see if the gt500 can beat the c7 zr1 on the strip before we start saying gm had nothing for it.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

In my opinion there is nothing special about a base Corvette, the novelty of the mid engine will wear off very quickly, 1 year from now it will be forgotten when the Z06 is offered in likely 750 hp. If you want to drive around in the Grandfather's trimmed Vette grab the base, and cruise the nursing homes. If you are a performance enthusiast wait for the Z06.

If that opinion held true why would anyone buy any sports car that is inferior in performance to the c8 z06, people will still buy the base and z51 because it'll wreck anything in it's price range. Plenty of people kept buying c7 base or z51 cars, they just weren't the best representatives to brag about being that the platform came in more capable trims.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by newmoon

No denying the C8 is a great performer, looks wise I'll pass. While they did improve the front and rear over the C7, the side profile is awful. The problem I see is those running up to grab a BASE C8, will regret that decision as soon as a Z06 is offered. Did anyone even discuss a base C7 after the Z06 came, it was never in the conversation.

In my opinion there is nothing special about a base Corvette, the novelty of the mid engine will wear off very quickly, 1 year from now it will be forgotten when the Z06 is offered in likely 750 hp. If you want to drive around in the Grandfather's trimmed Vette grab the base, and cruise the nursing homes. If you are a performance enthusiast wait for the Z06.

And thats why so many more C7's were sold as Base stingrays, Z51 spec cars and the grandsport. I would dare to say Z06 cars are no more than 10% of total C7 sales.