[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Nightfall ss1le

FFS this thread is silly. Let’s be real here. These are performance cars & unless they give a power bump down the road then none are significantly better than the others. I love my 18 just like guys with a 19 will love theirs, a 20 owner will love theirs & so on. Do I prefer the 16-18 look? Damn right I do & I'm proud of my car. Would I ever knock someone for feeling the same way about their 19-20 or any other year? Not a chance. Be happy you have a Camaro because if that’s not enough then it seriously sounds like you’re trying to overcompensate for something...

Yeah, this is about as sad as I have seen in a LONG time. Lots of measuring going on in this thread.

[Mgsouthwest2001]

OK. I throw my opinion in there too. I am in the group that just didn't like the 19 front. I think the 20 looks way better. When I saw the pics of the 20's, the first words out of my mouth were GM fixed it. Looks great now.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by Jbanta1983

Does anyone else think the 2020 camaro(refresh) looks like shit? I think it looks horrible. People didn't wanna give the 19' a chance and now you have a front end that looks very generic and conventional. I hate it I'll take the 19' all day at least they did something a little different.

Sorry bud, but I cannot even fathom anyone looking at a 2020 SS and a 2019 SS side by side and saying the 2019 looks better. For that matter, how anyone can say the 2019 refresh SS looks good at all. UGLY, UGLY,UGLY

[Baldilocks01SS]

Why is this thread even here? Everyone has different taste, it's what makes the world go around. Your opinion isn't better than any one else's opinion.

Close this thread now?

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by 3.8TransAM

Didn't go got the 150th by chance did you?

Why, yes! Yes, I did!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by mlee

No explanation needed. My 19 is better... can you tell me why it is not?

Your infortainment is a bit nicer than the one on my 18, but not THAT much nicer

Does yours have green tint at the bottom of PDR videos? The one 19 I tested did have that as did the 2019 press cars, curious if that's really common though.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Nightfall ss1le

FFS this thread is silly. Let’s be real here. These are performance cars & unless they give a power bump down the road then none are significantly better than the others. I love my 18 just like guys with a 19 will love theirs, a 20 owner will love theirs & so on. Do I prefer the 16-18 look? Damn right I do & I'm proud of my car. Would I ever knock someone for feeling the same way about their 19-20 or any other year? Not a chance. Be happy you have a Camaro because if that’s not enough then it seriously sounds like you’re trying to overcompensate for something...

This thread is mostly silly because the OP didn't even know what trim levels he was comparing against his 19SS. The entire point of the thread is invalid.

[Lazerbrainz2k3]

Originally Posted by mlee

No explanation needed. My 19 is better... can you tell me why it is not?

For starters, yours is a ZL1 1LE, while mine and Elvis' are the SS - obviously, yours is the superior version regardless of where an SS falls in the progression of 6th gen styling, so I don't think for the purposes of the argument I was making before that bringing your particular Camaro into it makes for an apples to apples comparison.

That said, yours being a ZL1 brings me back to something I said earlier about the front end of a 2019 ZL1 specifically. Obviously even the 2017-2018 ZL1s had the wider grille openings than the SS for better cooling, but the fact that GM didn't apply wider grille openings to the solid rest of the 2019 SS front end tells me that the solid portions of the 2016-2018 Camaro front (mildly changed in other ways for the ZL1 of course, but still very much based on the front from those years) provide superior performance to the 2019 SS front end - flowtie, revised geometry, and all.

If that was NOT the case, what possible other rationale could GM have had permit an inferior design to persist on its highest performance Camaro when they'd already designed a "better" front for the lesser SS? As optimized as the rest of the ZL1 and especially ZLE are, I don't see GM not making that change unless there was a benefit to staying put with the front end.

Now, it may well be that you need the extra high performance of a ZL1 to fully realize the performance benefit of that front end and that the SS is sufficiently "tame" (relatively speaking) that the 2019 SS front end ultimately has no negative cooling or aerodynamic impact on that application versus an earlier SS and the previous front end... but I'd be lying if as a 2016-2018 SS owner I didn't admit I like the fact that I've got what is likely the more optimized front end. If I was trying to supercharge an SS to ZL1 levels or beyond, I might want to take heed of GM's decision with the 2019 ZL1 in deciding which front end I'd wanted on that project car.

If you fellas want to persist in seeing my questioning the 2019s as "better" as some kind of personal slight or reactionary response coming from feelings of inadequacy, that's up to you, but the above is I think a reasonably argued critique from an engineering perspective, following on the heels of what I said before (which I made clear to be my own opinions) about the subjective styling aspect.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeROC

So the 19 got the (I'll call it "controversial" to be nice) front end, loss of Hyper Blue, but gained the 10 speed (which doesn't help performance AT ALL but hopefully eliminates possible shudder issues from the A8). The rest is minor tech gadget garbage, which probably just make the car more expensive anyway. And if someone wants a 2.0T with 1LE they can get it (which is good IMHO), even if not my cup of tea.

And they lost homelink which I actually use every time I drive the car.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Lazerbrainz2k3

For starters, yours is a ZL1 1LE, while mine and Elvis' are the SS - obviously, yours is the superior version regardless of where an SS falls in the progression of 6th gen styling, so I don't think for the purposes of the argument I was making before that bringing your particular Camaro into it makes for an apples to apples comparison.

That said, yours being a ZL1 brings me back to something I said earlier about the front end of a 2019 ZL1 specifically. Obviously even the 2017-2018 ZL1s had the wider grille openings than the SS for better cooling, but the fact that GM didn't apply wider grille openings to the solid rest of the 2019 SS front end tells me that the solid portions of the 2016-2018 Camaro front (mildly changed in other ways for the ZL1 of course, but still very much based on the front from those years) provide superior performance to the 2019 SS front end - flowtie, revised geometry, and all.

If that was NOT the case, what possible other rationale could GM have had permit an inferior design to persist on its highest performance Camaro when they'd already designed a "better" front for the lesser SS? As optimized as the rest of the ZL1 and especially ZLE are, I don't see GM not making that change unless there was a benefit to staying put with the front end.

Now, it may well be that you need the extra high performance of a ZL1 to fully realize the performance benefit of that front end and that the SS is sufficiently "tame" (relatively speaking) that the 2019 SS front end ultimately has no negative cooling or aerodynamic impact on that application versus an earlier SS and the previous front end... but I'd be lying if as a 2016-2018 SS owner I didn't admit I like the fact that I've got what is likely the more optimized front end. If I was trying to supercharge an SS to ZL1 levels or beyond, I might want to take heed of GM's decision with the 2019 ZL1 in deciding which front end I'd wanted on that project car.

If you fellas want to persist in seeing my questioning the 2019s as "better" as some kind of personal slight or reactionary response coming from feelings of inadequacy, that's up to you, but the above is I think a reasonably argued critique from an engineering perspective, following on the heels of what I said before (which I made clear to be my own opinions) about the subjective styling aspect.

You took mlee's post seriously?

[orange devil]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Sorry bud, but I cannot even fathom anyone looking at a 2020 SS and a 2019 SS side by side and saying the 2019 looks better. For that matter, how anyone can say the 2019 refresh SS looks good at all. UGLY, UGLY,UGLY

Evil V6 troll

[Salslivers]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Sorry bud, but I cannot even fathom anyone looking at a 2020 SS and a 2019 SS side by side and saying the 2019 looks better. For that matter, how anyone can say the 2019 refresh SS looks good at all. UGLY, UGLY,UGLY

Put me in the category of one that says my 2019 SS is F'N awesome. I am happy I bought it before the 2020 revision.

SEXY, SEXY, SEXY

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by Salslivers

Put me in the category of one that says my 2019 SS is F'N awesome. I am happy I bought it before the 2020 revision.

SEXY, SEXY, SEXY

Maybe you need glasses

[Airfuel]

Originally Posted by Elvis66

Evil V6 troll

Yup, some V8 envy going on!