[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by hotlap

There were two question about that match up. Both were answered

1. The exact same ZL1 ran 1.78 sec slower than previously. That would be 2.17 sec faster than the GT350R.
   
2. The GT350R’s tires only felt “adequate”.

Sorry magazine racer, you don’t get to cherry pick your lap times, the R ran in the same track conditions the Z did and it had worn cups on it.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Sorry magazine racer, you don’t get to cherry pick your lap times, the R ran in the same track conditions the Z did and it had worn cups on it.

The zl1 tires were also worn. They used this same car to get the faster time set a few months earlier. Nobody knows how worn each were, but neither were on new tires.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by hotlap

There were two question about that match up. Both were answered

1. The exact same ZL1 ran 1.78 sec slower than previously. That would be 2.17 sec faster than the GT350R.
   
2. The GT350R’s tires only felt “adequate”.

Dude, once H2H is done you don’t speculate by saying the old ZL1 time was 2.1 seconds faster. It is safe to assume the R would have been faster if tested when the ZL1 was previously tested, as explained; this time around the track had no major events the days leading up to the H2H testing, so it negatively affected the R as well. If tested same day as the previous ZL1 test, the margins would have been similar to the actual H2H.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

The zl1 tires were also worn. They used this same car to get the faster time set a few months earlier. Nobody knows how worn each were, but neither were on new tires.

Are you clowns seriously disputing the article as written by the people who drove the cars. That’s a new low even for this crowd. They make no mention of the Z’s tires being worn, they both make comments regarding the R’s.

Chadicus brought up the tire nonsense because he mistakenly believed it bolstered the ZL1’s case, when in fact the opposite is true.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Are you clowns seriously disputing the article as written by the people who drove the cars. That’s a new low even for this crowd. They make no mention of the Z’s tires being worn, they both make comments regarding the R’s.

Chadicus brought up the tire nonsense because he mistakenly believed it bolstered the ZL1’s case, when in fact the opposite is true.

Where in the article does it say the R was on worn tires?

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Where in the article does it say the R was on worn tires?

Chris Walton comments about the worn tires when describing launching the R in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile portion of the article.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Are you clowns seriously disputing the article as written by the people who drove the cars. That’s a new low even for this crowd. They make no mention of the Z’s tires being worn, they both make comments regarding the R’s.

Chadicus brought up the tire nonsense because he mistakenly believed it bolstered the ZL1’s case, when in fact the opposite is true.

The ZL1 was the EXACT same car they had already tested previous and yes, it had worn tires. I know reading comprehension is hard for you Mustang guys so I will spell this out for you: The two benchmarks to beat for the 500 are the Redeye 1/4 mile and the ZLE track time. I think you keep bringing up the ZL1 1/4 mile because deep down you don't think it will beat the Redeye.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The ZL1 was the EXACT same car they had already tested previous and yes, it had worn tires. I know reading comprehension is hard for you Mustang guys so I will spell this out for you: The two benchmarks to beat for the 500 are the Redeye 1/4 mile and the ZLE track time. I think you keep bringing up the ZL1 1/4 mile because deep down you don't think it will beat the Redeye.

So that’s a yes, you are actually going to claim to know the condition of the tires on a vehicle you have never seen in person? LOL

You should probably call the media and potential buyers an let them know what the benchmarks are since you are setting them.

I keep bringing up the ZL1 1/4 times because I find them so comical.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

So that’s a yes, you are actually going to claim to know the condition of the tires on a vehicle you have never seen in person? LOL

You should probably call the media and potential buyers an let them know what the benchmarks are since you are setting them.

I keep bringing up the ZL1 1/4 times because I find them so comical.

Go read the article again. I'm done arguing with you.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Go read the article again. I'm done arguing with you.

There is no argument, you’ve been wrong all along.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The ZL1 was the EXACT same car they had already tested previous and yes, it had worn tires. I know reading comprehension is hard for you Mustang guys so I will spell this out for you: The two benchmarks to beat for the 500 are the Redeye 1/4 mile and the ZLE track time. I think you keep bringing up the ZL1 1/4 mile because deep down you don't think it will beat the Redeye.

I think his point is the tires may or may not have been replaced since the previous test. We don't know, as I don't think it mentions it in the article, but it's been a while since I read the whole thing.

Just provide the quote where they mention the worn ZL1 tires and it'll stop the argument.

They definitely make a point to say it in regards to the R:

"As for the Shelby, he noted: "This car was a whole lot trickier to launch than I remember. Having worn tires didn't help, either."

Also Sport Cup 2's merely adequate?

"Another clue is that the fantastic Shelby-special Michelin Sport Cup 2s on the GT350R felt merely adequate, prompting us to verify that they really were the Ford spec. (They were.)"

Last I checked Sport Cup 2 tires are much more than "merely adequate" (unless worn out).

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Regarding whether or not power plays a role in how close the ZL1 and R were (0.39 seconds) by same driver same day...food for thought:

"The Camaro is dramatically faster on the front straight, grips better around the long, lower-speed Turn 2 and slingshots around the very quick Turn 8 faster than the Shelby. But the Ford catches up in nips and bits—a little here, a little there.

The GT350R repeatedly brakes a little better, particularly approaching the Turn 3, 'Omega' corner; it momentarily notches a peak-speed win between Turns 6 and 7. Heroically, it claws back part of that gap through the terrifying Turn 9."

I think, given this quote, the hp is what kept the ZL1 ahead at the finish considering they were nearly tied at the end of turn 9. The ZL1 pulled away in the straight by a few car lengths at the end of the race.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Chris Walton comments about the worn tires when describing launching the R in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile portion of the article.

That was regarding drag times. There is no mention of worn tires by Randy for the hot lap. I find it really hard to believe Randy would of done a hot lap with the R on worn tires and yet no one ever mentions it. They would not of put Randy at risk.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

That was regarding drag times. There is no mention of worn tires by Randy for the hot lap. I find it really hard to believe Randy would of done a hot lap with the R on worn tires and yet no one ever mentions it. They would not of put Randy at risk.

I’m sure the tires can be worn and not dangerous. If they were deemed dangerous they would not have let Chris run the 1/4 on them either.

Randy did mention that the tires didn’t feel as good as expected, he doesn’t specifically call them worn but Chris Walton does.

The tires condition means nothing to me in relation to the lap times. They are what they are, but when you have someone trying to claim it was the Z on worn rubber when the opposite is what’s written, then the record needs to be set straight.