[Red Chief]

While they're worried about the fuel economy on low volume sports cars, this is what trucks will look like in 2023:

[@camarochris_]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

It's not. Sales were down before that and we've had zero problem selling 2019s here. Folks that don't care for the front want to use that as an excuse but there are PLENTY of people that do like the 2019s.

obviously not lol

[Silverado57]

Originally Posted by FH212

Well that will suck. Just another sign that the future of muscle/sports/GT cars is going away. I will not own a Mustang even if Ford keeps it. Challenger has to change or go away also. The hobby I have known and loved for 40 years of my life is slowly going away. Dark dark times ahead........

You may be right. Motorcycles are also going through a tough time.

[rickr9504]

First off, one of the biggest reasons for a Camaro failure is Chevy itself. They have not responded quickly to the changes other car companies have done to their muscle car. Ford increased their power output in 2018 and the Challenger has all kinds of trims to pick from. Chevy had a new face that very few liked.

It is also important to note that they all have dropped in sales year after year, but the Camaro has had to roughest drop in 2018.

The Challenger has being the only one consistent year after year since 2015. They have not dropped or gained.

Believe it or not, big horsepower sell. The reputation of being fast at the track does not make you king in the streets and that is how many buyers think. They want to create fear in others when they park next to them at a red light.

Oh, yeah, I think no one mentioned that before, but the Camaro visibility sucks in tight spaces.

http://motrolix.com/automotive-sales...ge-challenger/

[Mosaic6SS]

They will all die a slow death. I wasn’t around during the gas crisis of the seventies but my dad would often talk about how quickly the muscle cars were eliminated for more fuel efficient models in the mid seventies. I see that cycle starting again. As electric cars are becoming more unbeatable and heavily congested cities are more restrictive towards personal vehicles the modern muscle car era will be over soon.

[Commando16SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That was my first reaction. There is no way just the CT4 and CT5 can support the volume needed to keep that plant running. Unless there is something we havent seen yet coming on Alpha II

Everyone is forgetting about China. Cadillac sedans sell like hot cakes there which justifies the investment. Camaro does not sell in China

[Deki]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

And of course the pricing on the 6 gens didn’t help with their success either like the 5th gen did! I would have never thought a Camaro SS would be over $50,000 that is one that had a lot of options!

But you can also get an SS for mid 30s. All cars are more expensive today. A base Civic is 23 grand. I hope these rumors aren't true. The sales, when compared to the other 2 are a little lower but still not bad for a high performance 2+2 coupe. I mean FFS toyota is keeping the 86 alive and in don't see a point to that car at all.

[Silveradoss573]

Originally Posted by @camarochris_

obviously not lol

The styling is a big part of the problem. And that's just one part of the issue gm has. I plan on keeping my 2015 1le for about 4 more years than getting something else. Fact....it won't be a newer Camaro.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by @camarochris_

obviously not lol

Obviously not? We're selling just as many 2019s as we did 2018s. Wanna explain that to us, genius?

[AlphaDream]

Yep, saw this coming from a mile away. GM don't make slow selling vehicles more competitive, they cut and run instead. Weak and pathetic.

[Blackdevil77]

The refresh, combined with interior room combined with the visibility is what killed sales IMO. So now if you want a performance car from GM, the only choice is a Corvette...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Commando16SS

Everyone is forgetting about China. Cadillac sedans sell like hot cakes there which justifies the investment. Camaro does not sell in China

That is true about china, I am not sure are Cadillac's for China built in Lansing then exported? I know some of the CT6 are built in China

[protovack]

It's not cancelled, just delayed. The platform is there, they will get the CT4 and CT5 out there first. GM has its hands in many projects right now. C8 corvette is taking a large amount of resources--thats people in GM who do performance cars. Once that is out for a couple years, and demand for a next gen camaro grows, suddenly it will be back on the table, I predict around 2023-2024.

The only thing I take from all this is, find the 6th gen you really like now, because you're going to be driving it for a while!

I guess none of this really worries me that much, because I really like my 6th gen. If I was going to upgrade to a 7th gen, I would like to see them take their time and get it right.

I also feel like we don't know this "source" at all, and none of it is even close to official. If these "rumors" spread like wild fire, as it appears they are, I expect to see a GM announcement very soon on this.

[GroundhogSS]

As long as the engineers and scientists can't make the battery technology much better, I can't see any reason to get an EV. Not everyone only drives 30 to 50 miles a day. Too much time spent recharging. I'm about 900 miles from CamaroFest and an electric would probably take me 3 days to get there instead of 1 1/2. Of course, I would be embarrassed to go there in an electric Camaro.